Defunding our police..

[Mitch f]

12 hours ago, SpoonDog said:

Affirmative action is not admission black folks can't compete fairly with white folks. It's an acknowledgement white folks won't let them.

We see it in housing, in healthcare, in employment, in policing.  We see it here. 

Don't include me in your “we”. You, and your mentality actually brings black people down. In reality you are the one judging people by their skin color not me.

[SpoonDog]

9 hours ago, Johnsfolly said:

 

Unless you have seen the highlighted sections personally, you are just parroting the same double standard that the MSM have provided you. If folks are throwing bottles, rocks, etc. or are defiant, does that not break the definition of a peaceful protest?

Oh.  I'm supposed to take secondhand accounts of violent protestors seriously, just not secondhand accounts of police brutality.  The evidence is acceptable, so long as it doesn't challenge our worldview. 

 

Got it.

[SpoonDog]

3 hours ago, SpoonDog said:

We see it in housing, in healthcare, in employment, in policing.  We see it here. 

 

2 hours ago, Mitch f said:

Don't include in me in your “we”.

 

The median value of a home in Ellisville, Missouri is $173,700 more than median home value in Berkeley, Missouri.

Proportion of owner-occupied homes in Ellisville is 75.3%.  In Berkeley, it's 48.5%.

The proportion of high school graduates in Ellisville is 95%.  It's 85% in Berkeley. 

The proportion of college graduates in Ellisville is 50%.  It's 15% in Berkeley. 

The proportion of folks <65 with a disability is 4.9% in Ellisville.  It's 12% in Berkeley. 

The proportion of folks without health insurance in Ellisville is 2.9%.  It's 17% in Berkeley. 

The number of businesses in Ellisville is 1178.  The number of businesses in Berkeley is 644.

Median income in Ellisville is $75,017, median income in Berkeley is $33,874. 

Poverty rate in Ellisville is 5.7%.  It's 17% in Berkeley. 

The most common jobs in Ellisville are: Sales (16% of population) Management (14%), Administrative (10%), Business (9%), Education (7%). The most common jobs in Berkeley are: Administrative (17%), Sales (8%), Food Service (7%), Facilities (7%), Personal Care (7%). 

Ellisville has 21 police officers.  Berkeley has 35. 

...and Ellisville has 600 more residents than Berkeley. 

 

Of course you don't see the difference.  You live in Ellisville.

 

 

We don't have to mention race at all, folks.  We can talk about discrepancies in housing, healthcare, education, employment, policing.  It accomplishes the same thing, and it doesn't let us off the hook.

 

 

[Jerry Rapp]

[Johnsfolly]

8 hours ago, SpoonDog said:

Oh.  I'm supposed to take secondhand accounts of violent protestors seriously, just not secondhand accounts of police brutality.  The evidence is acceptable, so long as it doesn't challenge our worldview. 

 

Got it.

No. Simply calling you a hypocrite. You made the argument that you can only accept firsthand knowledge to support your argument about non-violent protestors and then tout secondhand information to support your argument about police violence. Can't have it both ways, but that's just your worldview.

Got it.

[SpoonDog]

Sorry, I misunderstood your position.  I accept violent protestors exist, even though I haven’t seen any.  I just don’t think all protestors, or even most of them, are violent.   And I think the folks writing all protestors off as violent thugs and all police as guiltless heroes would be well served going to a couple protests and seeing for themselves.

[DADAKOTA]

"If either made an offer because you were white or male and the other candidates weren't, would you have accepted the position?"

Interesting question.  It is one I can't answer as the recruiters found me to be well qualified for the job that I was seeking.  I did the work through high school and college.  Created my own summer jobs (painter, re-coating asphalt) or found good summer jobs including a summer in the oil fields of Oklahoma as a roustabout.  Dad always said nothing is given to you.  Education, hard work and perseverance pays off.

[tjm]

12 hours ago, SpoonDog said:

Affirmative action is not admission black folks can't compete fairly with white folk

It is a declaration of such and unfair to all, but most unfair to the individual that can compete but gets picked up as a token.  I've worked several construction jobs years ago that had useless laborers on the pay roll who couldn't pick up and carry average loads or push a wheelbarrow of concrete nor carry a ladder and each case when I asked to have them removed from my gang was told that they had to stay because they made up the quota for females.   For the females that could do the work, I have known some, the female quota was filled and there was no job.

[tjm]

9 hours ago, SpoonDog said:

Of course you don't see the difference.  You live in Ellisville.

Do you live in Berkeley? And since neither of these places is important to me or to the folks that live in Chicago what is the difference? It seems that wealthy folks live in a better neighborhood than poor folks? or that better neighborhoods require fewer policemen? 

[Johnsfolly]

3 hours ago, SpoonDog said:

I just don’t think all protestors, or even most of them, are violent.   And I think the folks writing all protestors off as violent thugs and all police as guiltless heroes would be well served going to a couple protests and seeing for themselves.

I agree!