Anyone made a trip this year?

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16 minutes ago, awhuber said:

They just gotta keep em alive for a while till someone takes them home. The real problem is the estrogen in the stream. One of the stresses identified for hellbenders is estrogen in the water.

I was just watching a podcast about estrogen or estrogenc chemicals in water, plastics, skin care products and lotions.  Dr shanna swan.  

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3 hours ago, tjm said:

Thanks for the rundown, I'd expect the farther from the spring the greater the hatch sizes and insect size. It's been so long since I was up there that I can't even picture the branch in my head, I recall pieces of it, but can't connect the dots

The bottom composition in the upper spring area is mostly sand, gravel, and smaller rocks. This is the home of big burrower Mayflys and not much else.  

The further you move downstream the more large rock you'll find covering the stream bed. That's just the way erosion works in a spring creek.

Stoneflys and caddis need bigger rocks to get under, so you'll seldom see Stoneflys, Caddis, or Clinger Mayflys hatching over plain old sandy gravel streambeds.

Swimmer mayflys, like BWO's, PMD's, and Midges take hold in weedbeds, moss,  and streamside grass in slow to moderate current areas, like you have in the lower portion of Z1.  Scuds are thick there too.

Typically speaking.....the bigger the bug, the less dramatic the hatch.   

The best size of bug hatch to find is a #16-18.   Because the fish still need to eat quite a few of them, and it's a big enough bug that they can see it for a distance..... the fish will even fight each other to get to them first.  A big lazy trout sipping on Trico's or little 22 BWO's will drive you absolutely crazy.

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14 hours ago, tjm said:

I have no idea what MDC uses but - Purina trout food 

Soy is third largest ingredient.

Trouble with feeding the cleaning station scraps back to your stock is controlling any disease or condition that can spread by cannibalism. It likely needs more than simple grinding. 

Have to avoid the fish getting "mad trout" disease. 

In UK largest potential vector in spread of mad cow was the feeding of the cattle scraps from butchered cattle.

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8 hours ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

I was just watching a podcast about estrogen or estrogenc chemicals in water, plastics, skin care products and lotions.  Dr shanna swan.  

Estrogenic compounds will lead to high levels of feminization or intersex development in male fish. That is the development of oocyte tissues within the testis. Diminishes their ability to spawn effectively thus ultimately affecting population recruitment.

Still the highest level of estrogenic release into the environment comes from birth control and hormone replacement therapy in women.

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19 minutes ago, Johnsfolly said:

Estrogenic compounds will lead to high levels of feminization or intersex development in male fish. That is the development of oocyte tissues within the testis. Diminishes their ability to spawn effectively thus ultimately affecting population recruitment.

Still the highest level of estrogenic release into the environment comes from birth control and hormone replacement therapy in women.

That is true.  You should watch dr swan on Rogan.  Even before her was the frog study where all the frogs in suburban ponds were turning female.  Dr Shaw is measuring taints in humans that demonstrates the feminization of males over the past couple decades.  The shorter the taint the more female like males are.  Phytoestrogens like Phthalates being a leading cause too.  

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This guy is interesting to watch on YouTube.  Dr Anthony jay 
 

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1 hour ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

That is true.  You should watch dr swan on Rogan.  Even before her was the frog study where all the frogs in suburban ponds were turning female.  Dr Shaw is measuring taints in humans that demonstrates the feminization of males over the past couple decades.  The shorter the taint the more female like males are.  Phytoestrogens like Phthalates being a leading cause too.  

Caitlin Jenner used to live stream side.........problem solved.

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1 minute ago, Devan S. said:

Caitlin Jenner used to live stream side.........problem solved.

And wore a lot of sunscreen 😂