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Hey @BilletHead I read and article about a prehistoric teenage girl found to have DNA from an unknown human lineage. As part of that article was description of stone points called Maros points. They looked really cool so I wanted to see if

1) You had heard of these stone points

2) If you knew what they were used for - I'm think a fish spear for some of them

3) If you thought that you could reproduce some of them.

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5 hours ago, Johnsfolly said:

Hey @BilletHead I read and article about a prehistoric teenage girl found to have DNA from an unknown human lineage. As part of that article was description of stone points called Maros points. They looked really cool so I wanted to see if

1) You had heard of these stone points

2) If you knew what they were used for - I'm think a fish spear for some of them

3) If you thought that you could reproduce some of them.

Maros-points-from-publication-768x1029.jpg

97a62563420d639dfe44d3276d5fc687--british-museum-flakes.jpg

 

47080689-9925427-image-a-13_1629887636353.jpg

 

  1. No

            2. No telling on what I read since you brought this to my attention.  The study I read did not really say much about any fauna remints found in the dig. Where is the text you read? Would like to read it, well some of it :) .

      3.  Although I would not have the chert mentioned from south east Asia I am sure I could do this with what I have on hand. Interesting article said same technology seen in Australia in these points made from nothing but a flake struck off a core. They think that these could of been from the first peoples from Australia coming to south east Asia.  

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Marty it was a popup article after searching for some genetic techniques information for work. I'll see if I can find it. They showed the points, but didn't really discuss them too much. I found those photos from some searches. They look really cool and got me thinking what they could have used them for. Since they are found on the islands in the pacific, a fish spear head popped into mind.

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Fish points or aquatic mammals points I have seen have been bone….many so-called arrowheads are hafted knifes….and ancient many in our area are over 8000 years old!
the skill to create points/tools was something learned over time, I can imagine someone during the long bitter winters of the ice age huddled in their shelter working on them. I try and keep up with the science of paleo archaeology….we have some really interesting sites in our area…the Big Eddy site downstream from Stockton dam is an interesting one….I haven’t artifact hunted since the decline of my mobility but had a spot or to in jasper county that produced daltons regularly and a Clovis or two…..I had a female acquaintance that jacked a substantial collection I accumulated over my years afield…save a full grooved ax I have nothing, I had a tool made from mammoth ivory, some agate tools….those people picked out some wonderful materials to create with….so much more on this fascinating subject. 
 

this would be a great subject to have it own forum 

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9 hours ago, MoCarp said:

           Let me tell you something,

  I not only talk the talk I walk the walk. I know both Jack and Neal. Jack has become a very personal friend. Some of the points I have found are in Missouri point guide publications. The special publication #4 Southwest Missouri State University . Regional Research and the Archaic Record at the big eddy site (23CE426) Southwest Missouri. A Scottsbluff from the Sac River Valley I found is in there. Then In Jack Rays Ozarks Chipped- Stone Resources: A guide to identification, Distribution, And Prehistoric use of cherts and other raw Materials. Of course the mentioned Big Eddy site is filled and the dig there is over. I was asked if I wanted to volunteer to help in the work there. Got to hold both halves of the Clovis/Gainey found there. 

    We don't hunt points like we used to but always keep our eyes open for finding. 

  I like the past, currently concerned about the present and frankly worried about the future :) 

"We have met the enemy and it is us",

Pogo

   If you compete with your fellow anglers, you become their competitor, If you help them you become their friend"

Lefty Kreh

    " Never display your knowledge, you only share it"

Lefty Kreh

         "Eat more bass and there will be more room for walleye to grow!"

BilletHead

    " One thing in life is for sure. If you are careful you can straddle the barbed wire fence but make one mistake and you will be hurting"

BilletHead

  P.S. "May your fences be short or hope you have long legs"

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5 hours ago, BilletHead said:

           Let me tell you something,

  I not only talk the talk I walk the walk. I know both Jack and Neal. Jack has become a very personal friend. Some of the points I have found are in Missouri point guide publications. The special publication #4 Southwest Missouri State University . Regional Research and the Archaic Record at the big eddy site (23CE426) Southwest Missouri. A Scottsbluff from the Sac River Valley I found is in there. Then In Jack Rays Ozarks Chipped- Stone Resources: A guide to identification, Distribution, And Prehistoric use of cherts and other raw Materials. Of course the mentioned Big Eddy site is filled and the dig there is over. I was asked if I wanted to volunteer to help in the work there. Got to hold both halves of the Clovis/Gainey found there. 

    We don't hunt points like we used to but always keep our eyes open for finding. 

  I like the past, currently concerned about the present and frankly worried about the future :) 

Some of those big Eddy artifacts are incredible, last I heard was they had be working even deeper and finding pre Clovis items ( controversial ATM) to think humans have occupied that area for what looks like now at least 20,000 years!……it’s cool you got to be involved…

what is your opinion of those pay to dig sites in Texas or anywhere for that matter? 

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2 hours ago, MoCarp said:

Some of those big Eddy artifacts are incredible, last I heard was they had be working even deeper and finding pre Clovis items ( controversial ATM) to think humans have occupied that area for what looks like now at least 20,000 years!……it’s cool you got to be involved…

what is your opinion of those pay to dig sites in Texas or anywhere for that matter? 

              As far as pre Clovis there was what they thought was an anvil stone broken. What led them to think it could be pre Clovis was the broken pieces had been moved like on purpose if I can remember. Manipulated in some way. There was a write up in National geographic. 

   Pay to dig? Well here is my opinion for what it is worth. Yes it would be fun and no telling of what you might find. On private ground you can pretty much do as you want except where human remains are. Here is the other half of the story like it or not I agree in it. You destroy what can be learned because of the many layers in time buried. So much to be learned in the various layers unearthed in a uncontrolled manner.  I will stick to wandering surface hunting in farming practice manipulated fields or creeks and wash outs provided by mother nature.  Another good deal is to register the site where you find debitage / flakes that may be a site of inhabitation.  These sites are not published and only used in case lets say a highway or something big is going through there pipeline maybe. Here is where Jack Ray is brought in to give his opinion on if the site should be excavated and processed before being destroyed. Neat deal again my opinion. Once it is destroyed its history is lost. 

"We have met the enemy and it is us",

Pogo

   If you compete with your fellow anglers, you become their competitor, If you help them you become their friend"

Lefty Kreh

    " Never display your knowledge, you only share it"

Lefty Kreh

         "Eat more bass and there will be more room for walleye to grow!"

BilletHead

    " One thing in life is for sure. If you are careful you can straddle the barbed wire fence but make one mistake and you will be hurting"

BilletHead

  P.S. "May your fences be short or hope you have long legs"

BilletHead

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If you want to see a LOT of points, visit the Golden museum in Golden MO.  It's all stuff that was found by artifact hunters.  So many points that you'll get tired of looking at them.  They also have some stuff from Mexico and Central America, points and tools made from green jade (I think it is jade).  It's free and there is hardly ever anybody in there if you go during the week.  

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