2 anglers flying out of boat at 75!

[tjm]

4 hours ago, mixermarkb said:

40HP on a 12’ drag boat hull made of potato chips and epoxy will go pretty “fast” while 400HP on a 40’ LOZ or Mississippi River cruiser is gonna burn a lot of fuel but hardly be “fast”.
 

As I said, too many variables to easily regulate.

You think the 12' boat could carry the 300# driver and the 40HP? Do you think a 40-50-70 HP cap would remove the 40' boats from the fishing lakes? would limiting speed through HP affect the erosion/wake boats?

When the legislators step in eventually, they are going to be for the most part non boaters who will set limits on whatever they decide to limit  with "an abundance of caution", and while you are correct in being careful what you wish for, it might befit anglers to examine the minimum/maximum  HP needed to bring back a limit of fish rather than that needed to set new speed records, then self regulate as a group by setting "safe for dummies" HP limits in the tourneys. There is no way to keep boats or cars from being operated at WOT, but it's not all that hard to regulate what power WOT can generate. If the power limitation is below what 40' cruisers or high wake  boats require, angers won't have to deal with them.  Personally I don't much care, it's sad when people commit suicide by HP, but they did it to themselves.  When people put themselves at risk it's hard to blame the dealer. When Walmart sells a kid a kayak they don't give lessons on white water or warn against being mid-lake on tournament day.

[fishinwrench]

3 hours ago, mixermarkb said:

3 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

 

Well, strictly speaking, he showed me how to keep it from happening.

Which is exactly my point.

 No, I'm pretty sure your "point" was that Kerry from Kerry's showed you how to drive through a chine walk.....and that it took you into the following Summer to get it down to the point where you say "it was safe".  And you think that all dealers should follow suit. 

THAT'S what you said.    Am I wrong?

It's real easy to "KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING".   No on-the-water instructions needed......Ya just slow down. 😅 

 

If you wanna go faster without chine walk, then lose a couple of batteries, lose some fuel, balance your load, reset motor height, and re-prop.   

Once you understand hydro-dynamics you'll agree that the only way to SAFELY run on the center pad is with twin counter rotating outboards or outdrives.  And even then.....if you were to lose an engine while on pad, you're likely to flip.   

[BilletHead]

5 hours ago, fshndoug said:

Even if speed limit laws were enacted you wouldn't see them enforced as they aren't enforced on our roadways. I saw 2 or 3 people speed by me just yesterday on the interstate going at least 80-85 mph in a 65 mph zone.

          Every day, every place. I had to do a trip to Springfield last Friday morning. Trip down in the dark and trip back around noon. I was doing posted limit. Some went by like I was sitting still. 

[Quillback]

9 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

          Every day, every place. I had to do a trip to Springfield last Friday morning. Trip down in the dark and trip back around noon. I was doing posted limit. Some went by like I was sitting still. 

LOL, yeah do 70 (the speed limit) on I-49 here in NWA and you'll be left in the dust.  

[mixermarkb]

1 hour ago, tjm said:

6 hours ago, mixermarkb said:

 

You think the 12' boat could carry the 300# driver and the 40HP? Do you think a 40-50-70 HP cap would remove the 40' boats from the fishing lakes? would limiting speed through HP affect the erosion/wake boats?

I don’t know about 300 pounds, but I was every bit of 225 when I ran a friends little 12’ race boat. I think he was closer to 60 horses than 40, but it still went plenty fast enough to scare ya.

My idea of recreation on the water is bass fishing, but lots of other folks idea of on the water time is wakeboarding, jet skiing, overnight cruising, slalom skiing, putting around in a pontoon while consuming adult beverages, etc.

A basic part of living in a democracy is that they have as much right to their pursuit of happiness as I do mine. Their pursuits require quite a bit more horsepower than a basic 40-50-70 horse fishing boat needs. How are you going to write a HP limit law that keeps fishermen from committing suicide by horsepower and yet still lets a family runabout have what it takes to pull a skier out of the hole?

More (selectively enforced no doubt) laws aren’t the answer, and in a capitalist society, if one is in the business of selling a given product that is or can be dangerous, it only makes good business sense to teach your customers how to not splatter themselves on a bluff while driving their new toy. 
 

I mean, I guess maybe a lot of dealers don’t care about return business once they sign that 20 year finance agreement on that $90k rig that is a $70k rig as soon as it leaves the lot- cause they figure they aren’t getting return business from that poor upside down feller anyway- but if I sold bass boats, I’d be darn sure I was giving on the water check rides at delivery, and if I was buying a boat, I’d insist on it.

[fishinwrench]

A boat at 70+ mph has no worry's of prosecution, nor does it ever suffer from loss of sleep over mistakes or bad decisions.  

It will kill you in a heartbeat.....and never cry a single tear.     The same goes for the team of clowns that designed and built it.

Just remember that.  

[fishinwrench]

14 minutes ago, mixermarkb said:

if I sold bass boats, I’d be darn sure I was giving on the water check rides at delivery, and if I was buying a boat, I’d insist on it

No offense intended here, but if I have to undergo a lesson from you before buying a boat from you.....then you'll have to knock 5k off the price in order to complete the sale.  😉

[mixermarkb]

1 hour ago, fishinwrench said:

 No, I'm pretty sure your "point" was that Kerry from Kerry's showed you how to drive through a chine walk.....and that it took you into the following Summer to get it down to the point where you say "it was safe".  And you think that all dealers should follow suit. 

THAT'S what you said.    Am I wrong?

It's real easy to "KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING".   No on-the-water instructions needed......Ya just slow down. 😅 

 

If you wanna go faster without chine walk, then lose a couple of batteries, lose some fuel, balance your load, reset motor height, and re-prop.   

Once you understand hydro-dynamics you'll agree that the only way to SAFELY run on the center pad is with twin counter rotating outboards or outdrives.  And even then.....if you were to lose an engine while on pad, you're likely to flip.   

You never try and “drive through a chine walk”. If it’s started walking, the only way you get it back is trim her down and slow her down. You can however, drive a high performance pad V hull in such a manner that keeps it from walking, and while it’s a very common topic of discussion on sites like Bass Boat Central, it’s way easier to teach to someone on the water than over the internet. Lots of folks safely operate high performance hulls with a single outboard. It takes skill, and common sense, and understanding that WOT isn’t always safe. 

[fishinwrench]

If you're selling NEW rigs then you taking them out and running that outboard over 3500 rpm just voided any implied warranty you advertised.    

There's a 10 hour break in period.  And that data is stored in the ECM

[mixermarkb]

5 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

No offense intended here, but if I have to undergo a lesson from you before buying a boat from you.....then you'll have to knock 5k off the price in order to complete the sale.  😉

We are just different folks, because while I may not frame it as “a lesson” to a client, I’m not going to sell a $250,000 sound system to a church without being there when it’s commissioned to answer questions and make sure their operators know what they are doing. Do we lose some sales to online big box retailers who are happy to just drop ship them equipment at bargain prices. Yep. We also pick up sales from folks who have been that route and get lifetime customers by making sure they know how to use what we sell them.

I don’t care if “the lesson” is just what switches control what pumps in the livewell system, a good boat dealer is going to be there with whatever knowledge a given customer needs on delivery, otherwise they may as well be buying from the guy at Bass Pro who’s never been in a boat in his life but just got the job based on his used car sales skills.