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[gotmuddy]

IMO that looks like regular ole old gas.  been sitting in a tank too long

[FishnDave]

[BilletHead]

1 hour ago, gotmuddy said:

IMO that looks like regular ole old gas.  been sitting in a tank too long

             By the looks of it that is what I thought Cody, but the customer swore it was fresh gas.  Customer is always, right?    Old gas has a funky odor.

[jdmidwest]

https://www.pure-gas.org/

Right there it says that Ethanol Free is not available in large Metro areas due to the Clean Air Act.

That is why the gas is funky in the first place, summer and winter mixes.  Adding ethanol lowers the price of fuel by cutting the cost of petro in it "major BS"...  It costs more to make ethanol and takes more petro to do it than just making gas from oil.

I have never really tested my gas that I buy, but I have made an effort in the past years since owning a marine engine to keep it in the boats.  And, I have not had any fuel related issues in either my small engines or my boat motors.

I do run some Seafoam thru my pulling rigs from time to time to keep the injectors cleaned out.  Lucas Brother fuel treatment every now and then also.

[fishinwrench]

9 hours ago, BilletHead said:

             By the looks of it that is what I thought Cody, but the customer swore it was fresh gas.  Customer is always, right?    Old gas has a funky odor.

Old gasoline is typically cloudy, has lost its transparency, and smells a bit like paint thinner or terpentine.  The shelf life of old school gas was about a year, or even more if it was sealed up tight.

Old ethanol blended fuel will usually have a brownish (ice tea) tint, and will smell of aerosol.   Shelf life is less than 4 months even if it's in a sealed container.

Computer controlled EFI/DFI outboards will seem to run ok on crappy aged fuel BUT because of the slower burn the engine will run hotter.    The slower the fuel burns the longer the length of time that there is active fire inside the motor.  

During the summer months I get Mercury EFI''s and Optimax's  in for water pump service all the time...... Nothing at all wrong with the water pump, but the warm lake water combined with aged (slow burning) fuel, and a BLACK cowling caused the overheat horn to go off.   I used to try to explain that to people....but after so many times of them just standing there looking at me like a spider had just crawled out of my mouth, I now just install a new water pump, take their money, and keep my mouth shut.   😅 

All they know is.....Motor got hot/must need a water pump!    And hey, I've got kids in college that burn through money like marshmallows at a campfire......so bygod if somebody wants a new water pump, they get one!  👍

[gotmuddy]

18 hours ago, BilletHead said:

             By the looks of it that is what I thought Cody, but the customer swore it was fresh gas.  Customer is always, right?    Old gas has a funky odor.

Haha, yah.  I tell you what, if you add two stroke oil to gas it makes the shelf life grow tremendously I have found.  I only run non-ethanol in my boats/generators/etc and have had gas sit in a tank for a year and be fine.

[gotmuddy]

8 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

Old gasoline is typically cloudy, has lost its transparency, and smells a bit like paint thinner or terpentine.  The shelf life of old school gas was about a year, or even more if it was sealed up tight.

 

The cloudy is water suspended I am about certain.  When everyone had carbureted atvs we spent tons of time cleaning gas tanks and carbs from fuel that had drawn water in it

[MrGiggles]

1 hour ago, gotmuddy said:

Haha, yah.  I tell you what, if you add two stroke oil to gas it makes the shelf life grow tremendously I have found.  I only run non-ethanol in my boats/generators/etc and have had gas sit in a tank for a year and be fine.

A lot of mix oils have stabilizers in them. 

I've also found that with pre-mix, once the gas evaporates, you're left with an oily film that protects surfaces pretty well. I don't think I've ever seen a two cycle that had a carb filled with the deck stain looking gunk that 4 strokes usually show up with.

I don't think ethanol is as much to blame as everyone thinks. Small engines are jetted so lean from the factory now that it doesn't take much at all to plug them. Half the time they don't idle right or surge right out of the crate. You can thank the EPA for that.

[MOPanfisher]

I had 50:1 mixed for small 3ngines that went bad.  Poured it into a pint and it separated into 2 different layers in a very short time.  Dumped it all out and refueled with fresh mixed and vroom.  I do usually add something like Seafoam or Lucas and am anal about using ethanol free fuel in boat and all small engines.  Just finished "fixing" an ATV and a lawnmower for a friend by siphoning all the fuel out and refilling with fresh Ethanol free fuel (with some Seafoam) and letting them run while I puttered around with other things.  By time I was done both were running fine.  Bad gas happens but am gonna keep using Ethanol free if for no other reason that it hasn't let me down like regular fuel has.

[MrGiggles]

4 hours ago, MOPanfisher said:

I had 50:1 mixed for small 3ngines that went bad.  Poured it into a pint and it separated into 2 different layers in a very short time.  Dumped it all out and refueled with fresh mixed and vroom.  I do usually add something like Seafoam or Lucas and am anal about using ethanol free fuel in boat and all small engines.  Just finished "fixing" an ATV and a lawnmower for a friend by siphoning all the fuel out and refilling with fresh Ethanol free fuel (with some Seafoam) and letting them run while I puttered around with other things.  By time I was done both were running fine.  Bad gas happens but am gonna keep using Ethanol free if for no other reason that it hasn't let me down like regular fuel has.

I don't even think I can get ethanol free gas in the immediate area. Anything that won't run happily on whatever swill Pilot is pumping doesn't belong on my place. And oddly enough, I have never once pulled a carb apart on any of my stuff, unless it needed going through before I brought it home.