Study: Hunters Die After Consuming CWD-Infected Venison

[jdmidwest]

8 hours ago, bfishn said:

Everyone dies after eating something.

How do they ever starve to death?

[Quillback]

8 hours ago, bfishn said:

Everyone dies after eating something.

In the long run, we're all dead.

[BilletHead]

       People die from eating nothing! 

[Johnsfolly]

This seems to be a follow-up article

https://www.fieldandstream.com/conservation/study-cwd-fatal-human-disease-link/?amp

[BilletHead]

3 hours ago, Johnsfolly said:

This seems to be a follow-up article

https://www.fieldandstream.com/conservation/study-cwd-fatal-human-disease-link/?amp

Thanks for posting that John. Franky at this point I'm not worried. People get sick and die from listeria by eating vegetables. We all have much  better chance of dying by driving down the road than CWD and other things that should be feared more.

[jdmidwest]

It was a cluster, cluster of 2 numnuts that like to eat sick deer.

[tjm]

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Conclusions:
Clusters of sporadic CJD cases may occur in regions with CWD-confirmed deer populations, hinting at potential cross-species prion transmission. Surveillance and further research are essential to better understand this possible association.

Both articles seem to be pretty much F&S back ground filler for pages of advertising. CWD is a real thing, it ain't going away and at this point there is no real hope of controlling it's spread by birds and scavengers, nor any real way of destroying the prions, they withstand heat,  freezing,  drying, all normal chemical sterilization, are absorbed into dirt and uptaken by plants, stay intact through all digestive processes and remain infectious for very long times. Prions are remarkably similar   between animals and that is what allows transmission to cross species.

So it is conceivable that a scavenger bird could eat the brain or spine of an infected dead animal (deer, cow, sheep, or human) fly some random distance, defecate and the prions thus transported could be absorbed into the dirt, be taken up by a plant that is eaten by an animal of whatever species and infect that animal; who would then spread the prion disease through yet another animal population. 

So, what all these studies have shown is that we never know what we don't know, leaving open the need for endless studies and the possibility that prions have always been a part of life since the beginning and that we were simply unaware of them until recently. Even within my lifetime people are dying from "new" diseases or causes whom a hundred years ago would have just died from some unknown cause, so how are we to know that in any given year or decade of history, say for example   the middle ages or biblical time that 1% (or 30%) of all human deaths weren't caused by prions? It's certainly a "first world problem" because if we had to devote 99% of our time and energy to survival, prions would not interest us at all.

[luckycraft]

13 hours ago, tjm said:

Both articles seem to be pretty much F&S back ground filler for pages of advertising. CWD is a real thing, it ain't going away and at this point there is no real hope of controlling it's spread by birds and scavengers, nor any real way of destroying the prions, they withstand heat,  freezing,  drying, all normal chemical sterilization, are absorbed into dirt and uptaken by plants, stay intact through all digestive processes and remain infectious for very long times. Prions are remarkably similar   between animals and that is what allows transmission to cross species.

So it is conceivable that a scavenger bird could eat the brain or spine of an infected dead animal (deer, cow, sheep, or human) fly some random distance, defecate and the prions thus transported could be absorbed into the dirt, be taken up by a plant that is eaten by an animal of whatever species and infect that animal; who would then spread the prion disease through yet another animal population. 

So, what all these studies have shown is that we never know what we don't know, leaving open the need for endless studies and the possibility that prions have always been a part of life since the beginning and that we were simply unaware of them until recently. Even within my lifetime people are dying from "new" diseases or causes whom a hundred years ago would have just died from some unknown cause, so how are we to know that in any given year or decade of history, say for example   the middle ages or biblical time that 1% (or 30%) of all human deaths weren't caused by prions? It's certainly a "first world problem" because if we had to devote 99% of our time and energy to survival, prions would not interest us at all.

No, but I don’t remember seeing deer like that either until recently…..  Survival of the fittest, for the deer and people that choose to eat em or don’t.   I’ll choose to test before consuming.   CJD doesn’t sound fun!

[tjm]

Oh I'm sure that CWD as we know it is a new expression of prion disease, almost certainly was the result of confining deer with sheep back in the mid '60s. Sheep and goats are Old World domestic animals and Scrapie an Old World disease as is the genetic/familial form of CJD. CWD was also almost certainly spread by moving (perhaps illegally) confined cervids from state to state for the purpose of farming antlers. But that's all in the past and we are beyond any stopping of the spread of it.  Sporadic, as used in the hunter incidents indicate that to the experts there is no clear link between  the deer and the CJD, the form of CJD from an animal is ‘variant CJD,’. A few years ago (a report ca 2015 and another case back in Aug 1997)  there was some speculation that a patient had contracted CJD from eating squirrel brains, but as far as I am aware no squirrels have as yet been discovered with prion disease. 

If prions remain indefinitely  in the earth, and have been shown to be taken up in some plants, what is to keep us from contracting prion disease from eating vegetables? Perhaps the 87% of all CJD cases that are listed as "sporadic" all have their origins in carrots or broccoli?  At this time any connection between CJD and any animal other than cows with BSE is at best speculative. Magazines like Field and Stream or Popular Mechanics  (reported the squirrel case) publish these things simply to sell their product, on the internet these articles would be "click bait".   As top predators though we must have been designed to eat animals and logically are more apt too prion infection from vegetables, eh? No more lettuce for me.

 

[BilletHead]

9 hours ago, luckycraft said:

No, but I don’t remember seeing deer like that either until recently…..  Survival of the fittest, for the deer and people that choose to eat em or don’t.   I’ll choose to test before consuming.   CJD doesn’t sound fun!

Whut Woe,

      Are you going to have your Basil tested before you eat it?

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            Like I said I will not worry right now. We are one county away from a hot zone. If it gets closer my venison will get tested.