Before and After - November 2024 Rain Event

[oneshot 1]

My wife said Salem is flooded. 

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[jdmidwest]

I saw pics of Montauk Park.  Upper fish runs in C&R area under water and lake levee bank full of muddy water.  Lower fish runs looked like they were breached and full of muddy water.  Main hatchery bldg basement flooded and water in building.

May be complete fish loss. 

[Gavin]

A buddy sent some pics of the Upper Current yesterday, and it was at least  150-200 yards outside of its banks around Tan Vat. It should be back down by now, but I'm sure there is a ton of debris. Picks from Pulltite CG looks like it got scoured. Firewood should be easy to find this winter.

[BilletHead]

A friend sent this and said it was Meramec sprigs trout Park. 

[jdmidwest]

Montauk looks pretty bad.  Park is closed for a while.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/state-and-regional/floodwater-overruns-montauk-state-park-trout-hatchery-in-south-central-missouri/article_f65219a8-9c8f-11ef-baa1-57ce2a40660b.html

[Phil Lilley]

Beaver- 1111.83 - 1116.63. +5

Table Rock - 911.59 - 916.29. +5

Bull Shoals - 650.64 - 659.78. +9

Norfork - 551.43 - 567.48. +16

Greers Ferry - 453.95 - 454.61  +0.6

[Dutch]

This might be of interest to some of you.

 

https://www.lakelevels.info/USA/Missouri/

[Al Agnew]

The 2017 flood set a whole lot of records.  So how does this one compare?

Some of the major Ozark rivers:

Gasconade at Jerome--27 foot rise, 102,000 cfs.  2017--just under 200,000 cfs, about 33 foot rise.

Meramec at Sullivan--28 foot rise, 64,800 cfs*.  2017--over 80,000 cfs, close to 30 foot rise.

St. Francis River, Patterson--19 foot rise, about 39,000 cfs.  2017--30 foot rise, about 110,000 cfs.

Current River, Van Buren--20 foot rise, 72,000 cfs.  2017--30 foot rise, about 140,000 cfs.  Note, upper Current got a lot higher flood crest comparatively than Van Buren did this time, but it blew out the gauge at Akers so we don't know the exact figures.

North Fork--26 foot rise, 68,000 cfs.  2017--best estimate is about 38 foot rise and 160,000 cfs, but the gauge was blown out.

Buffalo near Harriet--30 foot rise, 67,500 cfs.  2017 was not as big a flood that far south.

*The Steelville and Sullivan gauges on the Meramec no longer show the flow in cfs, because whoever was funding them stopped funding them.  It takes about 10,000 a year to maintain a gauge.  I contacted the U.S. Representative for the area about it.  She finally got back to me basically saying it was a local matter and not her purview.  Heck, it's the UNITED STATES Geological Survey, but apparently they rely on local funding to maintain gauges.  The gauge at Sullivan still records level in feet.  So I took the level in feet and found the table that they use to show the level in feet and the corresponding flow in cfs and that's where I got the cfs figure.

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10 hours ago, Al Agnew said:

e Steelville and Sullivan gauges on the Meramec no longer show the flow in cfs, because whoever was funding them stopped funding them.  It takes about 10,000 a year to maintain a gauge.  I contacted the U.S. Representative for the area about it.  She finally got back to me basically saying it was a local matter and not her purview.  Heck, it's the UNITED STATES Geological Survey, but apparently they rely on local funding to maintain gauges.  The gauge at Sullivan still records level in feet.  So I took the level in feet and found the table that they use to show the level in feet and the corresponding flow in cfs and that's where I got the cfs figure.

I contacted Gary Johnson hydrologist/engineer for the USGS about the gauges and he said:   

Thank you for reaching out. Unfortunately, the US Army Corps of Engineers has historically funded these (and other) gages, but they had a budget cut which necessitates the action. We were hopeful another agency might step forward to pay for them before the Sept 30 cutoff, but no luck so far. The cost is $16,300 per year to operate and maintain each gage. We are actively meeting with several agencies in hopes of reinstatement.

 

Thanks,

 

Gary

 

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Gary P. Johnson, Hydrologist/Engineer
https://www.usgs.gov/staff-profiles/gary-p-johnson

USGS, Central Midwest Water Science Center  

Associate Director for Networks        

405 N. Goodwin Ave.      

Urbana, IL 61801

217-328-9720    

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Btw.   It briefly had the CFS on Wednesday.  Then it was removed.