Lancer09

Why would dropping the limit to 12 inches suddenly have to make so many guides go from catch and release to catch and keep? If all those same guides keep turning fish back it won't make a crazy difference I wouldn't think. Yes a ton of bass guys have the livescope and all that... but I doubt they are the ones who are now going to be magically keeping a limit of spots instead of letting them go. To me it seems like it might thin the herd just a little bit, I don't think the LM and SM are being out competed but I definitely don't see them in the same places I did years ago on TR. Now it's just 14 inch spots. Removing a few may give some prime space for those others to move back in. When I guided in Wyoming we didn't let clients keep fish. Period. Did we occasionally bonk lakers when we found them where they shouldn't be? Yes. Did that lead to the occasional awkward conversation where we had the opportunity to explain the dynamics of everything? also yes. It was no different than if we caught a brown or a brookie on the upper Snake, or a rainbow or cutbow in certain parts of YNP. Did it get to me occasionally when I would see a tourist camping in the area with a Cutthroat or two on a stringer or roasting over fire? Also yes, but that that was their right based on the regs. And frankly most of the anglers who were CAPABLE of doing that weren't the ones keeping trout. I did eventually keep one or two for personal eating and they were truly exceptional... but we mostly kept to bonking a couple whities and making smoked fish dip out of em.

Don't worry about it too much. They'll be here when they be here. I didn't check the mail this weekend. I will when I get home. I turn right out of my drive way so if I don't check when I get back with the mailbox on the drivers side.... I'm probably not going to that day.

1. Devin (Me) - Done 2. Ness - Received 3. Coldwater - Out? 4. Ham - Received 5.Billet - Received 6. Ryan - Mailed? 7. Flysmallie - received 8. Mrs. Billethead - Received 9. Coldwater's friend - ? 10. Daryk - Received

@ness Driving from KC to Springfield last weekend they were everywhere down around Deepwater, and Osceola. Especially along all the bridge areas. I've always wondered if if anyone would get in any trouble for getting out there on some public ground and just going to town with a chainsaw.

Agreed 100%. much of this conversation I am just trying to play Devil's advocate, a lot of people like to complain and gripe about peoples work ethic these days.. but either way employment is a two way street. It takes effort on both sides, and both should probably meet somewhere in the middle. Career regardless why would someone want to invest their time and energy into a company that isn't willing to invest in them as well. That could vary for people whether it be money, training, advancement opportunities.

2020 was a bad year to do that. I was #24 of of 2200 ish supervising agents in the insurance agency I worked for.

I have worked for free a LOT in my life. For multiple years in a row I was on call or at work 300+ days a year. I was not paid to be on call.. That was just part of the job. I have taken work calls while playing Left Center in mens league softball, while in a deer stand, the turkey woods, and played one handed in a sand volleyball league. All of these things were done because someone else didn't do their job, or adults couldn't handle themselves maturely. I answered questions on my honeymooon that I wasn't paid for because my supervisor wasn't prepared for my absence even though he had all the tools needed. I have put in the extra work. The ONLY thing it has earned me.... is more work. I've been looked over for promotions, trained new supervisors, and then watched them leave again for better opportunities. I've been told straight up that I wasn't even going to get interviews for certain positions because I didn't fit a "criteria" that the employer was looking to hire. I won't air those grievances here, but will gladly explain in a private message. IF you want the work force to be loyal to the employer, the employer needs to be loyal to the worker. I've seen that missing. I've devoted most of my working life to public service, and when people say it is a thankless job, it really can be. There is a reason that a lot of people wash out, and it's not lack of skill or capability.

That is an acceptable excuse.

So work for free? Just playing devil's advocate here.

Fly Smallies arrived on Saturday. I'll go through the flies in the next day or so and start splitting them up for everyone. Still missing flies from Ryan, and I believe Coldwaterfishr who is no longer participating, but also if his friend is. Don't know if he has a profile on here.

Even if I don't agree with it, this mentality has been hammered into people my age since I started working in 2006 at 15, and even more so professionally in 2014 after graduate school. Particularly by people who came up in the business like Ness mentioned. Not a bad thing, and both sides have validity. I think the biggest problem is different generations not understanding each other and figuring out the best way to handle that.

All good. we are still within the normal time i've seen fly swaps take.

As of yesterday afternoon I've not got any more flies. Just wanted to make sure that Everyone knows. 1. Devin (Me) - Done 2. Ness - Received 3. Coldwater - Out? 4. Ham - Received 5.Billet - Received 6. Ryan - Mailed? 7. Flysmallie - Mailed? 8. Mrs. Billethead - Received 9. Coldwater's friend 10. Daryk - Received I think this is the most (ish) updated list. Please let me know if none of this looks correct.

I've received flies from ness. Well see what today's mail brings. That said... they will NOT be getting sent out this week. I am working out of a school for our spring break camp so I won't have a chance to sneak over to the post office.

Learn to work excel! Entirely in jest... but where I am now all of our "young" ones are here earlier, and stay later. From experience Loyalty to a company only earns you making less money than you could have made somewhere else. But seriously.. if work starts at 8. lets start at 8. When I get to work I get after it and get my stuff done while other people sit around and have the "water cooler talk time" that can take an hour or more. For a lot of us, especially in my age range it just comes down to I want to be paid for my time, effort and skill, that simple.