I've had some success on main lake points, setting the boat in 25-30 feet of water. The best ones are at the mouths of the bigger creeks, but these points also get hammered. I bomb a 6XD toward the bank and crank it down until it hits bottom. Sometimes it just wont feel right and I'll sweep the rod and they'll be on there. Other times they just pound it. About a week and a half ago we had 12 keepers on the same point doing this.