Uncertainty at Ranger boats

[Mitch f]

I guess only time will tell. Remember Chrysler bought Mercedes.

[gitnby]

I just can't resist weighing in on this one!

I don't know JM personally, although I did meet him many, many years ago! His Dad and my Dad were both members of the old "Baron's" club in Springfield, and my Sister went to High School with Johnny. Ironically, John Q & Charles O'Reilly were in that same organization, and my Dad is always saying he was 'in tall cotton' being around those guys. 

Johhny worked his butt off to build that organization with a passion that most normal people would not understand!

Many people I know that DO know JM well say he is a very gracious and caring guy? whatever?

What he does with HIS company and HIS money is totally up to HIM!  I don't agree with all of his decisions, but then, he has never asked for my opinion!

He has provided a huge boon to the economy in SW Missouri with all of of his ventures, and for that, I am thankful, as Springfield is my hometown.

The question seems to be, "How much is enough?" 

The same question could be asked about Stan Kroenke and several others.

While most of us are motivated to achieve subsistence and a comfortable retirement, others find another gear and go well beyond that! It becomes a race to live up to their legacy, which then takes over their psyche. People around them feed this need and they actually become a caricature of themself.  I don't know if that is what has happened to JM, but I have seen it happen to another person who I do know very well.

It's easy to say what we would do if we were in that person's position. But, we are not, so don't judge.

In any case, let capitalism work it's magic. Mis-managed, greedy companies that make inferior products eventually go away. Which is what should have happened to the companies WE bailed out! 

In case you can't tell, I am a business owner. I started a business with a home-equity loan 18 years ago.  Been through 4 recessions in my business life, 2 as a business owner, and 2 as an employeee. 

I have been lucky enough to have received a good public school education, and am blessed with a supportive wife and family.

Would I trade places with Johnny Morris? Checkbooks, maybe, but not lives!

The problem with this country is too many folks worrying about what others have and what they don't, and they won't get off their rears to do something about it! It's much easier to protest and complain until someone gives you something just to shut you up.

Ask my kids how that plan worked out for them when they were younger. Now, they are both successful adults that don't want or need Daddy's help!

 

 

 

 

[Bass Enforcer]

Fair enough. Good luck to all and their future adventures of fishing. No harm no foul. 

[Old plug]

Enforcer---- I am certainly one of those who is in your view is in. The negative light. But in mine it is a bright light i am  shining on something light on something I see differently. You do not seem to like desension. Well of course anyone who want to get ahead in this world should know how to suck up. Amazes me the extremes people will go to defeat a idea better than theirs.   I do not know anything about your life path but you seem like someone who is living the American Dream. I think you see charities as a necessary evel. Here is a secret for you so do most people that have to use it. I bet you got a entirely different view than me what greed is, what unfairness is to others and lack of opertunity. The holding of people down because the might not like there looks. Passing them over because they do not fit is generally the excuse for that.  As they say it is not what you know it is who you know.  That is a wonderful way to decide the national future. Look around you it is pretty clear where is has gotten us. Poor people struggle with these things daily.  One last thing NO I am not poor and I am not rich either. I have a 6 figure bank account. And every penny was earned in a morally way and good saving because I never made a lot of money

 

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[Bass Enforcer]

I guess the simple fact that jm earned his money on his own means nothing to you old plug. The fact that he started his business in the back of his father business and then spent a year traveling the country acquiring lures from different parts of the country securing them in a trailer with a 79 cent lock during his travel. Thus enabling him to begin the business he has today. Thus was all done by him and another friend while they were in their early twenties.  I came from an extremely poor family where more times than not our electric was shut off because my parents couldn't afford the electric bill. I was also on free lunches at school and most of my school years I wore hand me down clothes from other kids who also went to the same school as me. Therefore they knew where I got my clothes. Every year I find a family in need and give them a hand up during the times of the holidays and expect nothing from it. Often times they don't even know where it came from.  I do believe in giving people a hand. However there are those who don't care to work for something in life. As far as charities, no I don't look at those as the lesser evil as my family took them often.  Thanks for your opinion. 

[Bass Enforcer]

Also this is not a "I support Johnny Morris" it's just that I enjoy listening to stories about how one surpassed all the alleged oppression and prevailed in life's trials and tribulations.  Some as you stated didn't come by that success with good morals and shame on them. And some become successful and start living their life immoral and shame on them. And as far as my life today I still don't have the money to do all the things in life that I would like to do. I continue to juggle bills as to create overdrafts in my bank account as I am living my life to become debt free. To me.. that's the american dream.  And as far as how I define greed is someone who thinks they can take it to their grave. If Johnny Morris is living life that way then shame on him I venture to say his intentions are to pass it on to his family as he is a family man.  Or greed is one who refuses to help families in need. I would venture to say he is one with a giving heart.  I leave you with this. I hope and pray that some day I can start living "The American Dream." 

[Flysmallie]

This discussion has obviously went over most of your heads. Not surprising. 

American greed will kill you. I'm not saying JM shouldn't be able to make all the money that he possibly can, I'm saying he shouldn't do it by cutting payroll expense. If you don't think that's happening all the time in our country then you have zero idea what is going on.

Phil comparing your business to Bass Pro is silly. There is no comparison. I'd much rather have your business than his. 

[Mitch f]

I have no problem with Johnny Morris whatsoever. If the guys didn't want to sell, they shouldn't have sold. 

[Champ188]

At ground level, greed is leasing out a Corps of Engineers park that was built with taxpayer money and charging $5 entrance fee to use it.

[gitnby]

14 minutes ago, Flysmallie said:

This discussion has obviously went over most of your heads. Not surprising. 

American greed will kill you. I'm not saying JM shouldn't be able to make all the money that he possibly can, I'm saying he shouldn't do it by cutting payroll expense. If you don't think that's happening all the time in our country then you have zero idea what is going on.

Phil comparing your business to Bass Pro is silly. There is no comparison. I'd much rather have your business than his. 

Are you saying that these 3 guys leaving Ranger is a form of 'cutting payroll expense'?

Do we know how much they were making? Did they get severance or buyouts? Did any or all of them already hold stock and make money on the sale to BP?

Not near enough info to assume that JM's goal is just to cut payroll expense?

And, even if it is, is it possible that they don't need these 3 guys anymore with all of the brands now all under the flagship company?

I have nothing against any of these guys, I'm sure they are good people!

I'm guessing none of them are hurting financially?

But, such is life in corporate America. High risk, high reward!