Stockton Lake Night Noise

[Al Agnew]

At what point do one person's rights to do something impact other people enough that they shouldn't have that right?  It's always a sticky question.  Often, the characteristics of one particular activity cause it to conflict with other activities...while those other activities wouldn't conflict with others' enjoyment of the resource.  In this case, the bar's noise and undesirable elements are affecting other lake users negatively, while those other users aren't affecting anybody nearly as much.  So do the bar's owners REALLY have the right to operate?  By law, apparently so.  I highly doubt if there are any particular zoning laws that would preclude them from doing so.  But there probably should be.  Most people are against zoning laws because they don't want anybody telling them what to do on their property...until somebody else does something on THEIR property that negatively impacts everybody else.  Then zoning laws don't seem like such a bad idea, but by then it's too late.

[Deadstream]

The lake is enjoyed by all.  Does everybody like a 4 flight bass tourney blowing out at daylight?  A drunken frat party on the river ? A rock and roll band on the dock?     No.  But  we have to share.   I like peace and quite but those days are over, it's the new kids and the silly bankers that loan them the money for wake boats, etc.    I wish I could shut down bad behavior but I am older and realize that it won't happen.  Like Al says, sometimes it's to late.

[fishinwrench]

You don't walk into a restaurant and start jammin' to loud music.  Nobody does it in Wal-Mart or the grocery store either even though it would likely make the experience more enjoyable.   What makes those places more sacred than a lake or a river?

If you want music blasting into your head then put in a set of ear buds and crank it.  

Was at a place a few weeks ago and the DJ was taking requests so I requested 5 minutes of silence. He gives me a thumbs-up.....and then this   

Followed by "Turn Down for What", just to show me that he was a more professional smartass than I was.  😁

[MoCarp]

 

5 hours ago, Deadstream said:

The lake is enjoyed by all.  Does everybody like a 4 flight bass tourney blowing out at daylight?  A drunken frat party on the river ? A rock and roll band on the dock?     No.  But  we have to share.   I like peace and quite but those days are over, it's the new kids and the silly bankers that loan them the money for wake boats, etc.    I wish I could shut down bad behavior but I am older and realize that it won't happen.  Like Al says, sometimes it's to late.

Times ARE changing thats why new laws get enacted, new presidents get elected..... I was young once, never did the drunk lake thing, was married, bought my 1st new boat, truck and house before I was 21 years old ,...all on our own, no help from our parents or Grand parents, all while working at a factory job making a smidge over minimum wage....

it why America got pissed last election and shook things up....guess what its fixing to happen again on lots of things..

wanna know why radical tree huggers started out west? go to lake Lake Havasu, or go scout you favorite deer woods to see 500 acres of timber was clearcut while the owner was in the hospital....or in our selfie-focused culture one persons making a living impacts your life to the degree its a problem.

When Monroe and Henley snowflake or X gen sold our jobs over seas, or employed the cheapest workers who could be snuck into the Country,,,,,,, things have reached a tipping point  "they" don't give a rats arse on anything or anyone but themselves

people like me are getting "Trumped off" at the way things are going..... the MDC has outreach programs for kids and the outdoors why?, because less people take there kids hunting and fishing. 

 

People are mad as hell and are not going to take it anymore! I an half tempted to get 50 people together use 50 pontoon boats rigged with the loudest, window busting bass thumping speakers and blast it at 5000 db at daylight the morning after in mutton, just to rattle the hang overs.....bet new laws woulds happen then....call it a fishermans protest...

hell a wake fest on LOZ!... after all the cruiser crowd are moored up for the night, be worth the fine to get a 50 footer doing donuts bouncing this bastids for a change!

I don't want to see syndicate/club fishing like it is in europe it cost £1000 or about $1300 to fish what is basically farm ponds......

ok ill jump off the soap box for someone else

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG3i4EOXkj0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ4bUmJjFDw&t=66s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QZpFlD3HY4

 

[DADAKOTA]

On 6/23/2017 at 5:49 PM, MoCarp said:

BS....... I have fished for years on that lake, sometimes dropping a split-shot on a carpeted boat floor shuts them down,  the music/people noise and crowd trash sure doesn't help.............I know families who USED to stay at Mutton, but don't want to expose their kids to the "party" crowd.....keep waiting for they big blow to toss 8 foot waves during a concert.....

I have fished the lake since it was built.  I have never had fish shut down by dropping a split shot on a carpeted floor of a boat on Stockton or any other lake.  Must be one big az split shot.  There are plenty of places away from Mutton for families to stay and camp.  Mutton is what it is.  If folks don't like it then don't go.  I've seen folks catching crappie from their boat slips while listening to the music.  Didn't seem to bother the crappie one bit.  I turn on the radio in the boat all the time and listen to a ball game or some music.  I catch lots of fish.  Of coarse I am not blasting it either.

[Norm M]

MoCarp

 

 Why wait til morning to blast your protest ? Get your crew together and blast the entirety of Wagner's Ring Trilogy at them while they are open .  Evidently there are no laws concerning noise levels so don your ear protection and have at it . 

 I used to love doing guerilla theater back in the day . Just make sure you tip off the media ahead of time to increase the bang for your buck .

 

 The times they are a changing , an old protester from the 60's and 70's offering advice to a guy who is trumped off . 

[MoCarp]

3 minutes ago, DADAKOTA said:

I have fished the lake since it was built.  I have never had fish shut down by dropping a split shot on a carpeted floor of a boat on Stockton or any other lake.  Must be one big az split shot.  There are plenty of places away from Mutton for families to stay and camp.  Mutton is what it is.  If folks don't like it then don't go.  I've seen folks catching crappie from their boat slips while listening to the music.  Didn't seem to bother the crappie one bit.  I turn on the radio in the boat all the time and listen to a ball game or some music.  I catch lots of fish.  Of coarse I am not blasting it either.

BIG fish don't get big by being stupid, those get harvested FAST.....never heard of a 12 pound eye or 5lbs smallie get landed during a blitzkrieg of PWC or off the back of a party pontoon shooting off bottle rockets....

[MoCarp]

4 minutes ago, Norm M said:

MoCarp

 

 Why wait til morning to blast your protest ? Get your crew together and blast the entirety of Wagner's Ring Trilogy at them while they are open .  Evidently there are no laws concerning noise levels so don your ear protection and have at it . 

 I used to love doing guerilla theater back in the day . Just make sure you tip off the media ahead of time to increase the bang for your buck .

 

 The times they are a changing , an old protester from the 60's and 70's offering advice to a guy who is trumped off . 

LOL sounds like a plan!!!

[DADAKOTA]

Big fish are like big bucks.  They both can do some really stupid things resulting in their demise.  Lots of big bass get caught around docks with all kinds of human activity and noise going on.  I general it is better to keep the noise down while fishing.  Is that walnut paneling?  My wife's grandparents had floor to ceiling walnut paneling in their house in Stockton.  Your picture made me think of all the great times that were had at their place. 

[straw hat]

That picture reminds me of the party cove over by point B9 on Stockton. What a mess.