Rough fish removal a good thing? NOT SO FAST

[ozark trout fisher]

I hate the term "rough fish". It's just a throwaway term for "fish I don't like."

More useful are words like native, exotic, invasive. Terms with actual scientific meaning and management implications.

I don't really like crappie fishing. I guess they're a rough fish.

[snagged in outlet 3]

We can't all be biologist

[fishinwrench]

37 minutes ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

We can't all be biologist

Thank dog!

I have come to hate the term "Biologist" way worse than OTF hates the term "Rough fish".

[snagged in outlet 3]

I knew I'd get a bite

[MoCarp]

1 hour ago, BilletHead said:

   Can see what you are saying here wrench. But we are comparing a native specie against an nonnative invasive. I would rather not see a nonnative fish here. While MoCarp sees the benefits he wants I don't. Maybe he can have the trophy carp pond he wants? Just like we have cold water fisheries. 

Common carp are a Naturalised species and have been here for 140 years, stocked on purpose by the The United States Fish Commission, formally known as the United States Commission of Fish and Fisheries, was an agency of the United States government created in 1871 to investigate, promote, and preserve the fisheries of the United States, stocked them all over the USA from the 1870's onward..as far as invasive brown trout are listed in the top invasive list in the USA and world wide, and has been responsible for many fish extinctions, common carp were in the white river long before any trout,  as far as what I want, you might be surprised that there are more carp anglers now in the USA than muskie fishermen 

So its not JUST me that would like to see some areas managed for huge carp.....considering over 8 billion (USA equivalent ) dollars spent each year JUST on carp angling, and more people fish per capita there than do here..so they must be doing something right to keep more of there youth fishing than we do.

https://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/factsheet.aspx?SpeciesID=931

1 hour ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

I saw 4 huge commons in a trash can at the Branson City Boat Ramp Thursday.  I would've taken a picture but it was long walk to my truck and back.  When I say huge I mean Trump HUGE.

Needless to say they had holes in them.

Thats unfortunate that those fish get wasted, I have not looked to see if Missouri has a Wanton Waste regulation, or even if it would get enforced, I just wonder how many whoops fish get left in the lake, I do know of one huge floater brown that had a hole it it on Taney. I am the last person to want to take away anyones fun in the outdoors. but I can tell you I have had places that used to produce commons that averaged mid teens, hard pressed to land a 10 now

 to give you an example of the value placed on common carp; they are expencive to buy and stock in the UK...fish get microchipped because fish get stolen and moved to other fisheries, a 10-50 acre lakes properly stocked can generate a healthy income for its owner...renting out "swims" for a day or a week..the bigger the fish, the more you can charge, and stay booked....one place in France called "Gigantica" is almost completely booked for 2 years!

Changes in regulations are happening across the US and some surprising places like Lake Fork, Tx are developing as places people travel to and spend $ fishing for huge carp and Buffalo

http://rhfisheries.com/fishfarm

[BilletHead]

1 hour ago, MoCarp said:

Common carp are a Naturalised species and have been here for 140 years, stocked on purpose by the The United States Fish Commission, formally known as the United States Commission of Fish and Fisheries, was an agency of the United States government created in 1871 to investigate, promote, and preserve the fisheries of the United States, stocked them all over the USA from the 1870's onward..as far as invasive brown trout are listed in the top invasive list in the USA and world wide, and has been responsible for many fish extinctions, common carp were in the white river long before any trout,  as far as what I want, you might be surprised that there are more carp anglers now in the USA than muskie fishermen 

            I do not care what you say or try to convince us. Carp are not supposed to be here period. One of the reasons they are so popular is they are one of the only things that now live in some places and are all that some have to fish for. MAN has messed up so much by trying to alter the nature of things. There are places that should be as the good Lord intended it to be (for those I have offended we will use the term MOTHER NATURE) Do you think we should stock carp into Yellowstone lake? They are just now beginning to get a handle on the lake trout and that mess. Are you Father Nature? This is my opinion just like you and your opinion you are telling us daily about and I disagree with it. Do you think in 140 years you will consider bighead and silver carp naturalized?  Shoot you might as well import anything and call it ok in 140 years?

   BilletHead 

[fishinwrench]

I totally agree with BH.  You'll never see Carp fishing become a "real thing" because they are bottom feeders, ugly as sin, and regardless of what a bunch of people keep saying....they ain't fit to eat!   I'd rather eat a road kill gopher.

I've only seen a carp on a stringer once in my life, and that dude was poor, hungry, and two bricks short of a pallet.

[BilletHead]

1 minute ago, fishinwrench said:

I totally agree with BH.  You'll never see Carp fishing become a "real thing" because they are bottom feeders, ugly as sin, and regardless of what a bunch of people keep saying....they ain't fit to eat!   I'd rather eat a road kill gopher.

I've only seen a carp on a stringer once in my life, and that dude was poor, hungry, and two bricks short of a pallet.

           You may be missing some of MoCarps point Wrench. I think he would like them treated like a gamefish. Make a trophy fish out of them. Don't get me wrong if you catch them in the mouth they do fight real well but they are invasive and I lump them in with other invasive species. I have seen waters where some do good thought it would be nice to put them go to nothing but muddy waters.  

BilletHead

[snagged in outlet 3]

I''m with wrench.........except the gopher dealio.....I can't get past peas and they go all carp and gopher on me 

[fishinwrench]

1 hour ago, BilletHead said:

           You may be missing some of MoCarps points Wrench. 

Highly possible, that dude has more points than my wife's 1/4 acre cactus plant.  I can't keep track of them all.  

The fact that a fish fights hard just isn't enough to drag it to Sport Fish status.  They have to 1st be good to eat (and by that I mean TRULY good, not one of those things where "if you cook it right...." it's ok). 2ndly it has to predominantly chase and eat other living things. And 3rdly it has to be somewhat easy on the eyes AND be more interesting than a snail in a goldfish bowl.   I mean if you put a snail and a goldfish (pretty baby carp) in the same bowl.....the snail is still the most interesting thing in there.   

Hatchery Trout only make sportfish status by default.