Kimbering Docks?

[Quillback]

I have banged a lure off stuff in docks a time or two, but must admit that I have never broken a light bulb.  You unfortunate folks that have boats in slips may have to put on a motorcycle helmet when you step onto the dock to avoid hanging and flying lures.  

[bobby b.]

26 minutes ago, Quillback said:

I have banged a lure off stuff in docks a time or two, but must admit that I have never broken a light bulb.  You unfortunate folks that have boats in slips may have to put on a motorcycle helmet when you step onto the dock to avoid hanging and flying lures.  

There are definitely some downsides to having your boat stuck in one part of the lake in a slip - theft, broken stuff from the lures, putting up with rude fellow slip owners.  But there are upsides too - from the house to on the water with lure in the water fro me is about 5 minutes.  I keep a small tin boat on a trailer for going other places on this lake and others.

[Guest]

On 6/21/2018 at 9:18 PM, Deadstream said:

Do you want somebody throwing stuff at your house?   Maybe it's not enforceable but a little respect never hurts. Shame on some people

well, the water the dock is floating over is public water.  what you are then saying if you have a beef of someone fishing around a dock, is that you own the public water.  so, what if the majority of the public got up a bill to remove all docks from public water and it passed???  those boat docks have taken up every bit of shore line on many waters, and that to me says that MONEY is the only speaking instrument here.

there are several boat ramps around the lake that the local area folks have put in.  the ramp then becomes corp property and is open to anyone using it.

i personally do not like fishing boat docks, but unfortunately, i can see that there will be a point in time, i will be forced to fish around some simply because they are covering up a lot of good bass fishing real estate.  other than  big commercial docks that are limited in numbers, i just feel that every private dock screams that someone has more right to the water than the rest of us.

what is the matter with bringing your toys to the water from home, and then taking trash(toys) back home with you?  i know that terminology will rankle up some, but you really need to step back and think of it that way.  leaving your dock and boats all over the water really is not much different than someone leaving their trash on the lake.  to me, boat docks do not add any aesthetic value to the beauty of any lake.

since i am older than a lot of you, and i have fished table rock since 1963, and the only docks were pretty much the public marinas, that was when table rock was a beautiful lake.  everyone brought their toys with them and took them back home when they were done.  sure do miss those days.

bo

[GNSfishing]

27 minutes ago, merc1997 said:

well, the water the dock is floating over is public water.  what you are then saying if you have a beef of someone fishing around a dock, is that you own the public water.  so, what if the majority of the public got up a bill to remove all docks from public water and it passed???  those boat docks have taken up every bit of shore line on many waters, and that to me says that MONEY is the only speaking instrument here.

there are several boat ramps around the lake that the local area folks have put in.  the ramp then becomes corp property and is open to anyone using it.

i personally do not like fishing boat docks, but unfortunately, i can see that there will be a point in time, i will be forced to fish around some simply because they are covering up a lot of good bass fishing real estate.  other than  big commercial docks that are limited in numbers, i just feel that every private dock screams that someone has more right to the water than the rest of us.

what is the matter with bringing your toys to the water from home, and then taking trash(toys) back home with you?  i know that terminology will rankle up some, but you really need to step back and think of it that way.  leaving your dock and boats all over the water really is not much different than someone leaving their trash on the lake.  to me, boat docks do not add any aesthetic value to the beauty of any lake.

since i am older than a lot of you, and i have fished table rock since 1963, and the only docks were pretty much the public marinas, that was when table rock was a beautiful lake.  everyone brought their toys with them and took them back home when they were done.  sure do miss those days.

bo

I agree with you, the lake would be great if the private docks did not exist at all.....They do sit over some of the best fishing spots on the lake....The development by real estate brokers of the land around the shores of Table Rock is the problem they see only $$$ in their pockets and when $$$ are involved everything else goes out the window.   

[Ward Gardner]

As per Mojo I am Ward Gardner and tried to fix this screw job by the dock owners of your area. Simply put the Dallas District office via Colonel Jackson and the marina owners lied and cheated. For many years(2?)  MPWD and AGFC worked to an agreement with marina owners and anglers and usace. Agreement was made by all!- allowed fishing to continue to occur on docks.  Marina owners then UNILATERALLY went behind the backs of all other parties and whined above Little Rock District to Dallas office who was more than happy to IMO put it in and break it off. The marina owners took Dallas office USACE and Little Rock District USACE folks back to marinas(USACE more the happy to go back) and basically showed them vinyl damage and cowling damage and claimed without evidence all was from anglers. USACE then screwed us all and changed the rules and INFORMED NO ONE OF THE CHANGE- until a dude got a ticket for fishing NEAR- NOT IN- a dock. I tried to undo it as an angler representative(Arkansas Bass Association). Met with USACE LR. They were as expected uninterested in being anything other than a complete ogre.  I give them credit for the meeting but Col Jackson's approach was to take the fishing away from ALL parties at this point.

Docks that cannot be fished are the ones registered in Washington DC with USACE. That's why interpretation is so very tough/random to an angler. Only way to know which docks are restricted is to contact USACE district for Table Rock and ask for a list. We have some docks are Arkansas River that I can fish in and some I cannot. Theres no way to intuitively know which ones it is. Sure all fuel pumps are out but lots of plain old slips and docks are too. A ton of dock owners WILL THINK they are on the list but aren't! Have had to deal with that on Arkansas River at Pine Bluff- dude was running folks off. I double checked and let him know. LOL- was an enjoyable quick conversation-

Enforcement- AGFC wont use their own enforcement folks to enforce this law. Only folks left are county sherriff or USACE park rep who better be a good swimmer to write me any ticket I would openly accept. Not sure about MPWD temperature of enforcement.

My advice to all bass anglers is in NO WAY should you EVER buy or get anything from any of the docks if you can avoid it. They are the ones that either hosed us all willingly or passively. Additionally- I would demand citations be written for dock owners, slip owners, ANYONE who fishes any of those docks. It wont happen but id feel free to raise hell.

Government only responds to pain or money.

[aarchdale@coresleep.com]

Funny though, the grand kids can come down to the houseboat and fish off the docks and not catch any hell from it.

[bobby b.]

6 hours ago, Ward Gardner said:

Docks that cannot be fished are the ones registered in Washington DC with USACE. That's why interpretation is so very tough/random to an angler. Only way to know which docks are restricted is to contact USACE district for Table Rock and ask for a list. We have some docks are Arkansas River that I can fish in and some I cannot. Theres no way to intuitively know which ones it is. Sure all fuel pumps are out but lots of plain old slips and docks are too. A ton of dock owners WILL THINK they are on the list but aren't! Have had to deal with that on Arkansas River at Pine Bluff- dude was running folks off. I double checked and let him know. LOL- was an enjoyable quick conversation-

So if I register our 16 slip private dock on TR with the USACE in D.C., fishing would be restricted around my dock/slip?

[Guest]

here is another way to view all the boat docks on the lake and how they can be very offensive to some.  what if roaring river state park sold permanent permits to leave campers and tents in the park.  there is limited space and when they are all taken, then no else gets to enjoy the park, right??  but, right now, everyone brings there camper or tent, and then takes it home with them when they leave  well, the boat docks are nearly at that level where they take up all the bank line.  you can hardly fish down a bank any longer.

then to top off everything the dock owners that have caused most of the issues are ranting about their docks being torn up by the waves from their very own boats.  seems to me that we need to have common sense classes put into school as a required subject.

bo

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, bobby b. said:

So if I register our 16 slip private dock on TR with the USACE in D.C., fishing would be restricted around my dock/slip?

and that would mean technically, you could not fish off of it either.

bo

[Browning Guy]

Coming from a dock owners standpoint......a boat dock allows families hours of entertainment, fishing, swimming, relaxing, boat storage convenience, etc...... my two kids spend hours on their grandfathers small two stall dock with swim deck. He feeds the bluegills and catfish so it's a little like shooting fish in a barrel (bending the barbs down of course), but they have a blast and they have learned to fish and make fantastic memories. Has a huge one eyed carp that has hung around year after year.

Have we had those uninvited fishermen get out and fish off of it? hang baits on it? tie up to it? get into lockers and look around? Absolutely and we have the game camera photos to show it, do we own the water beneath or around? Absolutely not. It's part of owning a dock on public water....... I've been on TR since 1968 and can remember back when also.  It was a lot prettier lake then. VERY few docks, very few fishermen and ultra-clear water. Times have changed. Bigger boats, bigger wakes, bigger and more docks, more foolishness than ever before, but many types of fun for many types of people.  Bottom line.... a little respect for one another goes a long way. As the lake gets more and more out of control the respect level diminishes. TR has began its transformation into LOZ south. I would like to see Congress/COE limit the size/type of boats on the lake.  Wake displacement would be a start.  30'+ and wakeboard boats do more damage to the docks, environment and endanger other boaters more than bass tournaments with "350 HP engines" on the boats.

Those who keep their boats in the commercial docks are the first to scream foul and laws are enacted on their behalf to prevent fishermen from fishing around their 30+ and wakeboard boats. Meanwhile, all heck breaks loose for the public when those same protected folks take to the lake. I hate to see the large and commercial docks and believe anyone has a right to fish around any dock. With this said, I'm ordering a new sign for grandpa's dock.... 8' x 10' - NO Fishing within 1000 yards.