Kimbering Docks?

[Guest]

50 minutes ago, BrowningCollector.com said:

Coming from a dock owners standpoint......a boat dock allows families hours of entertainment, fishing, swimming, relaxing, boat storage convenience, etc...... my two kids spend hours on their grandfathers small two stall dock with swim deck. He feeds the bluegills and catfish so it's a little like shooting fish in a barrel (bending the barbs down of course), but they have a blast and they have learned to fish and make fantastic memories. Has a huge one eyed carp that has hung around year after year.

Have we had those uninvited fishermen get out and fish off of it? hang baits on it? tie up to it? get into lockers and look around? Absolutely and we have the game camera photos to show it, do we own the water beneath or around? Absolutely not. It's part of owning a dock on public water....... I've been on TR since 1968 and can remember back when also.  It was a lot prettier lake then. VERY few docks, very few fishermen and ultra-clear water. Times have changed. Bigger boats, bigger wakes, bigger and more docks, more foolishness than ever before, but many types of fun for many types of people.  Bottom line.... a little respect for one another goes a long way. As the lake gets more and more out of control the respect level diminishes. TR has began its transformation into LOZ south. I would like to see Congress/COE limit the size/type of boats on the lake.  Wake displacement would be a start.  30'+ and wakeboard boats do more damage to the docks, environment and endanger other boaters more than bass tournaments with "350 HP engines" on the boats.

Those who keep their boats in the commercial docks are the first to scream foul and laws are enacted on their behalf to prevent fishermen from fishing around their 30+ and wakeboard boats. Meanwhile, all heck breaks loose for the public when those same protected folks take to the lake. I hate to see the large and commercial docks and believe anyone has a right to fish around any dock. With this said, I'm ordering a new sign for grandpa's dock.... 8' x 10' - NO Fishing within 1000 yards.

and, you would not have any issues if you put your dock and toys in your yard.  public water should be exactly that, public.  you dock has taken that space of water out of the public domain.  i think commercial docks have way over stepped their boundaries also.  there should not be a permanent residence on public waters, which is what a dock is essentially.

i understand about your grand children, but the fact is, they most likely could have the same fun swimming from the bank, just like we used to.

bo

[Ketchup]

2 hours ago, BrowningCollector.com said:

Coming from a dock owners standpoint......a boat dock allows families hours of entertainment, fishing, swimming, relaxing, boat storage convenience, etc...... my two kids spend hours on their grandfathers small two stall dock with swim deck. He feeds the bluegills and catfish so it's a little like shooting fish in a barrel (bending the barbs down of course), but they have a blast and they have learned to fish and make fantastic memories. Has a huge one eyed carp that has hung around year after year.

Have we had those uninvited fishermen get out and fish off of it? hang baits on it? tie up to it? get into lockers and look around? Absolutely and we have the game camera photos to show it, do we own the water beneath or around? Absolutely not. It's part of owning a dock on public water....... I've been on TR since 1968 and can remember back when also.  It was a lot prettier lake then. VERY few docks, very few fishermen and ultra-clear water. Times have changed. Bigger boats, bigger wakes, bigger and more docks, more foolishness than ever before, but many types of fun for many types of people.  Bottom line.... a little respect for one another goes a long way. As the lake gets more and more out of control the respect level diminishes. TR has began its transformation into LOZ south. I would like to see Congress/COE limit the size/type of boats on the lake.  Wake displacement would be a start.  30'+ and wakeboard boats do more damage to the docks, environment and endanger other boaters more than bass tournaments with "350 HP engines" on the boats.

Those who keep their boats in the commercial docks are the first to scream foul and laws are enacted on their behalf to prevent fishermen from fishing around their 30+ and wakeboard boats. Meanwhile, all heck breaks loose for the public when those same protected folks take to the lake. I hate to see the large and commercial docks and believe anyone has a right to fish around any dock. With this said, I'm ordering a new sign for grandpa's dock.... 8' x 10' - NO Fishing within 1000 yards.

Thats 8 foot by 10 foot? Now paint that sucker pink with lime green letters, and it will get the attention of every lake goer within a mile to cone to your dock, just to check out the pretty sign. And you may get a few new lures hung up on the canopy as a thank you.  

[Ketchup]

Im 100% with you guys on no docks make for a much more pleasant natural lake. But, without them, i couldnt get those huge spoons caught on the canvas of big pretty boats, because there would be no boat parked in the way of MY fishing waters. 

[MOPanfisher]

http://webboutdoors.com/corps-engineers-commercial-zone-limits

[slothman]

1 hour ago, MOPanfisher said:

http://webboutdoors.com/corps-engineers-commercial-zone-limits

What about Pomme de Terre? Any info on that lake? Stockton? 

I asked the water patrol about Pomme and they didn’t say anything at all about any of this. Just wondering if it applies there too. 

[MOPanfisher]

Little Rock District is the only one I am aware of with that particular policy.

[vernon]

I fish a good portion of the shaded area at Rock Lane on a near daily basis whenever we're at Branson Yacht Club which is three or four times each year.  Never around the docks but, rather, the point around the launch area and the back of the cove itself and it never even remotely occurred to me that I might be in violation.

Of course, as some of you know, I'm retired from the Kansas City District of the COE so I guess there's a certain symmetry to that.

Of course I've long believed that more regulation and legislation simply results in more opportunity and likelihood that someone will do something "wrong".  And, more often than not, someone with an ax to grind will be right there to call them on it whether there's any harm or not and then "it's on" like Donkey Kong.

I'm pretty sure that reasoning and common sense (along with decency and respect) went out of style shortly after the teradactyl.    

Man, I used to worry that I was starting to sound like my dad but now it's actually more like my granddad.

Doesn't make any of the three of us wrong though.

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I was having a burger and a beer at the Tiki Bar last week and there were people bank fishing the point at the ramp that is in the shaded area.

[Browning Guy]

20 hours ago, Ketchup said:

Thats 8 foot by 10 foot? Now paint that sucker pink with lime green letters, and it will get the attention of every lake goer within a mile to cone to your dock, just to check out the pretty sign. And you may get a few new lures hung up on the canopy as a thank you.  

16' x 20' now and adding "No Ketchup" to it!

[Browning Guy]

21 hours ago, merc1997 said:

i understand about your grand children, but the fact is, they most likely could have the same fun swimming from the bank, just like we used to.

bo

We could all fish from the bank like we used to and not from a "350 HP bass boat" (poor guy- can't believe he said it), but we don't. Different strokes for different folks.  My dad used to float the Kings and White before the dam went in, but things have changed to accommodate more and more interests. Looking at the bright side of the current situation of LOZ (or TR)........... as I see 1000's of tiny fry thrive around my fathers' (two stall dock) makes me believe docks play a significant role for increasing the fish population, thus helping fishermen catch more fish. Knowing the spot his dock sits over isn't special and lacks any meaningful natural structure that would normally hold fish.  Thankfully, his dock makes for a fantastic place for his grandchildren to learn to catch fish and for him as an aging 77 year old to sit and watch them do so where a boat is no longer feasible. Docks are here to stay and adjustments are made to fish around them as different techniques for catching are implemented just as we see with Watson vs. Sprague.