The animosity toward conservation science

[fishinwrench]

1 hour ago, BilletHead said:

               Mitch bring @fishinwrench in here for his opinion. As far as the DDT banning and the deaths from it I am betting he would say it was natures way of thinning the population? It is aver virus right that malaria is correct? I haven't got a fight in this deal just wondering?

There would have never been a need to develop DDT had people stayed on their own respective sides of the pond.   All of the back & forth trying to force other countries to COMPLY with our wishes, and $#!t like that, is what spread diseases all over the world to people whose bodies weren't adapted to cope with it.   

People caused the problems, and then the people's SCIENTISTS often made it worse by trying to come up with ways to rectify it. 

NATURE tried to tell everyone to stay in their own yard, and to stop all of that international screwing.....but people were too horney and AMBITIOUS to listen.    

There ya go. 😎

[Johnsfolly]

On 4/3/2021 at 8:29 PM, Mitch f said:

Thousands, I mean millions   died of malaria around the world because of her. 

Mitch DDT is still being produced in China and India. It is still used for mosquito control in Africa. I don't think that there were millions of deaths in the US as a result of the EPA ban on it's use. I could be wrong.

DDT is a very persistent and toxic compound to invertebrates and fish. The continued overuse of DDT would have likely destroyed many of the great fisheries that we have. Ham probably would never had been able to catch that giant redfish.

Carson's work did create a lot of the thought process now in the testing requirements needed to register new compounds as well as reevaluate old ones for continued use. 

[Mitch f]

19 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

There would have never been a need to develop DDT had people stayed on their own respective sides of the pond.   All of the back & forth trying to force other countries to COMPLY with our wishes, and $#!t like that, is what spread diseases all over the world to people whose bodies weren't adapted to cope with it.   

People caused the problems, and then the people's SCIENTISTS often made it worse by trying to come up with ways to rectify it. 

NATURE tried to tell everyone to stay in their own yard, but people were too AMBITIOUS to listen.    

There ya go. 😎

I’m 100% positive Rachel’s motives were pure, along with everyone else’s. But people or organizations on both sides never really fully understand the potential disastrous effects of these decisions until it’s too late. 

[Mitch f]

2 minutes ago, Johnsfolly said:

Mitch DDT is still being produced in China and India. It is still used for mosquito control in Africa. I don't think that there were millions of deaths in the US as a result of the EPA ban on it's use. I could be wrong.

DDT is a very persistent and toxic compound to invertebrates and fish. The continued overuse of DDT would have likely destroyed many of the great fisheries that we have. Ham probably would never had been able to catch that giant redfish.

Carson's work did create a lot of the thought process now in the testing requirements needed to register new compounds as well as reevaluate old ones for continued use. 

Agreed, but There were millions of dead across the globe...I never said US. The quote was “around the world”

[Johnsfolly]

1 minute ago, Mitch f said:

Agreed, but There were millions of dead across the globe...I never said US. 

It was never fully banned globally. I couldn't find the data but have heard that the US was still a major producer of DDT for a long time after the ban of use in the US. It is more likely that those millions of deaths were in areas not able to afford paying for and use of DDT without being supported by the WHO or US and European interests.

[Al Agnew]

49 minutes ago, Mitch f said:

I’m 100% positive Rachel’s motives were pure, along with everyone else’s. But people or organizations on both sides never really fully understand the potential disastrous effects of these decisions until it’s too late. 

Mitch, those "disastrous effects" are being pushed by people with agendas inimical to conservation in general.  As has been pointed out, DDT was never banned across the globe, and is still being used in many tropical countries.  It was banned in the U.S.  I doubt that there was a single person that died in the U.S. due to DDT being banned.  And if you're talking about "disastrous effects" of decisions, there may very well have been truly disastrous effects on human life if DDT HADN'T been banned in the U.S. and curtailed across the world.  What would make you think that something that had that bad of effects on highly visible wildlife wouldn't have had serious but not so immediately obvious effects all across the food chain with continued widespread use?  We see a lot of serious unintended consequences just about anytime there is extensive and widespread use of pesticides, herbicides, and other chemicals that alter food chains and biological systems.  It's always a balancing act between the good they do and the damage they do.

[fishinwrench]

1 hour ago, Al Agnew said:

It's always a balancing act between the good they do and the damage they do.

That's what I keep telling Sugarbritches and the girls about their fingernail toxins.   Sure it looks pretty....but breathing that crap on a regular basis can not be good for ya.  

Who cares what your nails look like when you're in a looney ward slobbering all over yourself and sitting in a puddle of piss?  

[MoCarp]

3 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

That's what I keep telling Sugarbritches and the girls about their fingernail toxins.   Sure it looks pretty....but breathing that crap on a regular basis can not be good for ya.  

Who cares what your nails look like when you're in a looney ward slobbering all over yourself and sitting in a puddle of piss?  

Nah that’s what happens after you eat CWD deer meat...well after a 20 year incubation period 

[fishinwrench]

18 minutes ago, MoCarp said:

Nah that’s what happens after you eat CWD deer meat...well after a 20 year incubation period 

Have they solved CWD?   I don't hear anybody mentioning it anymore.  

Now they want everyone to collect ticks, put them in envelopes, and send them in for research.    All these years and nobody has studied TICKS before?    GTFOH !

Always bailing on one STUDY, and starting something else.  🙄   This is the kinda crap that drives me nuts about MDC biologists agenda's.     Always starting something, but never finishing or concluding anything.   So irritating !   

Just ONCE I'd like to see them start something.....and stay with it until they come to a bonafide conclusion.     

MDC Biologists:.  The biggest CIRCLE JERK SOCIETY ever known to man. 🙄

[BilletHead]

9 hours ago, Mitch f said:

You really don’t like Mr. Wrench, do you? 😂😂😂

              Yes I like him. You just need to let some of the stuff he says go in one ear and out the other. I'm sure he does it with most things I say .