Anyone made a trip this year?

[SpoonDog]

14 hours ago, laker67 said:

 I know that several are in favor of the urban program, but to me it is a slap in the face. And should be to any regular fisherman that frequents the park through out the year.

The urban fishing program isn't my bag either, but why should it be a slap in the face?   I get that a city park pond isn't natural, neither's a raceway.  Neither's a spring branch loaded with stocked trout in the middle of the country.  The fish goes from a raceway to a trout park and is harvested in an hour, or goes into an urban pond and is harvested a couple months later- the outcome's the same.  Folks participating in the winter trout program are purchasing licenses, those license fees help fund trout production.  If using the resource you're paying for is a negative, we're all in trouble. 

Like I said, urban trout isn't my bag.  But I don't see a criticism of the program that wouldn't apply to the trout parks, too. 

 

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1 hour ago, dave potts said:

They say there are three stages of fishing:

1) Catch a lot of fish

2)Catch a big fish

2A) Catch a big fish the way you like to fish

3) Just enjoy going fishing

Maybe they are trying to push everyone into stage three!

FIFY😁

[oneshot]

Summer the river anymore is scary.

I need to fish the river more being so close. Know if we go to our Cabin on Truman always fish.

Legal fish here are slowly released in Hot Grease. 
 

oneshot

[laker67]

1 hour ago, SpoonDog said:

The urban fishing program isn't my bag either, but why should it be a slap in the face?   I get that a city park pond isn't natural, neither's a raceway.  Neither's a spring branch loaded with stocked trout in the middle of the country.  The fish goes from a raceway to a trout park and is harvested in an hour, or goes into an urban pond and is harvested a couple months later- the outcome's the same.  Folks participating in the winter trout program are purchasing licenses, those license fees help fund trout production.  If using the resource you're paying for is a negative, we're all in trouble. 

Like I said, urban trout isn't my bag.  But I don't see a criticism of the program that wouldn't apply to the trout parks, too. 

 

Here is my beef. Come november 1 they load up the hatchery trucks with tens of thousands of fish and head out to , I think, 31 locations. Those fish come from the hatchery that doesn't seem to be able to keep those same numbers of fish in the trout parks during regular and our winter season. I don't the know the number of lunkers that are loaded up, but I can tell you that it is more than three trout parks see. I don't think that rrsp is a participant in urban fishing. But I do not know that for fact. It is like they have thrown all the good eggs in the urban basket while they let the tourists and regular fishermen support the program. I don't agree that the urban fishermen support the program or even come close. 

[Devan S.]

44 minutes ago, laker67 said:

Here is my beef. Come november 1 they load up the hatchery trucks with tens of thousands of fish and head out to , I think, 31 locations. Those fish come from the hatchery that doesn't seem to be able to keep those same numbers of fish in the trout parks during regular and our winter season. I don't the know the number of lunkers that are loaded up, but I can tell you that it is more than three trout parks see. I don't think that rrsp is a participant in urban fishing. But I do not know that for fact. It is like they have thrown all the good eggs in the urban basket while they let the tourists and regular fishermen support the program. I don't agree that the urban fishermen support the program or even come close. 

RRSP cant participant.......they would have to actually have a working hatchery  been subsidized by the other hatcheries for 3+ years. 

[Flyfisher for men]

What is inexplicable to me in reading these comments is why the hatchery at BSSP does not appear to be operating full capacity,  

 

[laker67]

29 minutes ago, Flyfisher for men said:

What is inexplicable to me in reading these comments is why the hatchery at BSSP does not appear to be operating full capacity,  

 

They might be and this is what we get

[Johnsfolly]

2 hours ago, laker67 said:

Here is my beef. Come november 1 they load up the hatchery trucks with tens of thousands of fish and head out to , I think, 31 locations. Those fish come from the hatchery that doesn't seem to be able to keep those same numbers of fish in the trout parks during regular and our winter season. I don't the know the number of lunkers that are loaded up, but I can tell you that it is more than three trout parks see. I don't think that rrsp is a participant in urban fishing. But I do not know that for fact. It is like they have thrown all the good eggs in the urban basket while they let the tourists and regular fishermen support the program. I don't agree that the urban fishermen support the program or even come close. 

I think that the number of trout going to the urban program is far less than you think.

This is on MDC's website:

A trout permit is required to possess trout, except in trout parks where a daily trout fishing tag is required during the catch-and-keep season. In addition, a trout permit is required for winter fishing in trout parks during the catch-and-release season and for fishing year-round in Lake Taneycomo upstream from the U.S. Highway 65 bridge. To fish for trout, anglers must also have a fishing permit or qualify for an exemption.

MDC raises trout at five fish hatcheries and releases about 1.7 million trout around the state for public fishing each year. According to MDC, the annual cost of fish food and staff labor to raise a trout in 2003 was about $1 per fish. The annual cost in 2017 had jumped to nearly twice that amount.

I have seen estimates of 70 to 75K trout being used for the urban lake program. Even if it is 170K trout that would still only be 10% of the trout being released around the state. If we use the 75K estimate, then only 15,000 trout stamps ($10 stamp) would need to be purchased by folks living in those urban areas to cover the cost of the fish (75K x $2.00 per fish). That does not seem to be a large number of folks and it seems likely that they are in fact paying for the costs of the fish being used in the urban program. Also I recall that the cities used to purchase those fish or at least in part.

I won't speak to the number of lunkers being shipped out from the hatcheries. My thoughts and from what I have heard from folks is that there is not an emphasis on rearing a large number of "lunkers" or brood fish to be released into the parks or lakes. Seems like Taneycomo gets it fair share.

[tjm]

1 hour ago, Johnsfolly said:

If we use the 75K estimate, then only 15,000 trout stamps ($10 stamp) would need to be purchased by folks living in those urban areas to cover the cost of the fish (75K x $2.00 per fish).

That same 15000 urban anglers would be adding in up to $120000 more in annual permits that they likely wouldn't buy without the trout.

I suspect MDC spends a lot more on promoting the urban programs than they do encouraging "regular fishermen" , but I also think that those urban dwellers spend more and therefore add in more sales tax revenue to MDC  than us rural folks do.

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17 minutes ago, tjm said:

, but I also think that those urban dwellers spend more and therefore add in more sales tax revenue to MDC  than us rural folks do.

I think the STL and KC metro areas account for a larger than 50% part of sales tax in mo.   They were siting the exact percentages when allocating vaccines.  I think might have been 70%.