Would You Go To College

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18 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

What it teaches wasn't questioned.

What it produces was.   

 

Every single one of the people running our country is a highly accredited college graduate.    Take a look around ! 😢

Poli sci and law degrees are outliers.  😂

[fishinwrench]

7 minutes ago, Terrierman said:

College does a lot of good things for a lot of people, but a couple of things it doesn't do is instill common sense or a moral compass.

Oh yes, it's an industrial complex.    

400.00 books with less text than a Gravois Mills phone book are proof of that. 

It's obviously doing good things for SOME. 

[MrGiggles]

10 hours ago, Terrierman said:

On average, holders of a Bachelor's degree earn just about twice as much over their lifetime as a person with a high school diploma.  Unless a person hates having money, it's definitely worth it.

I'd really like to see a ROI study broken down by major and including trade degrees that's fairly recent. If you search "is college worth it" half the results are just colleges telling you how much money you will make after graduating. Like you said on average you will make more, but with STEM grads on the high end and basket weavers on the bottom end, not sure how it pays for somebody in the middle.

And income is all relative, those higher paying jobs are pretty much only located in bigger cities where it costs more to live. $100k a year in KC or STL is barely middle class.

[Devan S.]

33 minutes ago, MrGiggles said:

I'd really like to see a ROI study broken down by major and including trade degrees that's fairly recent. If you search "is college worth it" half the results are just colleges telling you how much money you will make after graduating. Like you said on average you will make more, but with STEM grads on the high end and basket weavers on the bottom end, not sure how it pays for somebody in the middle.

And income is all relative, those higher paying jobs are pretty much only located in bigger cities where it costs more to live. $100k a year in KC or STL is barely middle class.

Add in the fact that you can go to a super cheap college or super expensive college can totally change the ROI numbers and its 90% on the investment side not on the return side.

The blanket statement of college is or isn't worth it doesn't work anymore. You have to be more specific. 

If you go because you need the degree to be effective(Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, STEM) then the degree only gets your first foot in the door. Its been my experience that every job after that cares less and less about your degree but your still have to have it. 
 

 

[fishinwrench]

20 minutes ago, Devan S. said:

 

If you go because you need the degree to be effective(Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, STEM) then the degree only gets your first foot in the door. Its been my experience that every job after that cares less and less about your degree but your still have to have it

Yeah, my daughter had to have her degree before she could get hired. But she'll sit right here and tell you that she could have started fresh out of high school and been able to not only do everything she's doing now.....but everything her boss is doing too.

70k debt hanging over her head for NOTHING. 🙄

[Devan S.]

19 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

70k debt hanging over her head for NOTHING. 🙄

Not for nothing....she had to have the degree. If she didn't have it how much would she be making? Would she even be considered for the job she has today at her currently pay level?

She went to Missouri S&T right? How many people she know drop out or transfer to something easier?

Not everyone can do it. Just like not everyone can properly work on boat motors....lots of people can swap parts but that doesn't make them a mechanic right?

 

[Dutch]

It’s so nice to be on a site with so many sociologists, political scientists, philosophers and knowledge based deep thinkers.

[fishinwrench]

17 minutes ago, Devan S. said:

Not for nothing....she had to have the degree. If she didn't have it how much would she be making? Would she even be considered for the job she has today at her currently pay level?

She went to Missouri S&T right? How many people she know drop out or transfer to something easier?

Not everyone can do it. Just like not everyone can properly work on boat motors....lots of people can swap parts but that doesn't make them a mechanic right?

 

No she finished at UMKC, only 1 other girl graduated with her.    She actually made slightly more money bartending at Coconuts.....but who wants to do THAT forever? 😂 

Kinda stings that a bartender can make more money than a mechanical engineer, if you aren't too proud to wear that badge. 

[Seth]

13 hours ago, jdmidwest said:

Take the classes and learn something new.

Computer skills are handy, programming, website development.

Learning new things keeps you young, and its not a waste of time.  Times wasters are the ones that are on FB and Tiktokker all of the time when they could actually be using the knowledge on the internet to gain something in the brain.

I use the net to search for history, maps, beekeeping, fishing tactics, and other research.  And, of course, learn lots of things on here.

I am always reseraching things online for work, fishing, hunting, astronomy, disproving people with real stastistics, etc but I also waste a lot of time on TikTok and Facebook. Maybe I'm just really efficient at researching which leaves more time for TT/FB. 😁

[Devan S.]

4 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

Kinda stings that a bartender can make more money than a mechanical engineer, if you aren't too proud to wear that badge. 

I'm not too proud I can guarantee you I can't make more money bartending.