Quillback Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 OK species dudes, you've got more work. According to my latest issue of Outdoor Oklahoma, there are now 3 different longear species. There are potentially 3 more. Plains Longear Redstripe Longear Caddoan Longear You can do a search on Bruce Bauer Longear for some detailed info, that I didn't read because it was DNA analysis heavy, too heavy for me. BilletHead and grizwilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Agnew Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 It seems the freshwater fisheries world is in the throes of a "splitter" mentality these days. I think we're up to 19 species of black bass at this point, or is it 13? And now THREE species of smallmouth alone! Fact is, fish are not the most mobile of critters, and are limited to what they can swim to; they can't go overland to breed with the population in the next river system. So it stands to reason that there will be differences in widespread species like longears based upon which major river system they are in. There are certainly some differences that can be seen if you have two side by side to compare. And genetic studies bear it out to at least some extent. I suspect that if the genetic studies are done of ANY widespread species that lives in several different major river systems, they will find significant genetic differences in different populations. But is this enough to make them different species, or just different subspecies or strains? Daryk Campbell Sr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishinwrench Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 24 minutes ago, Al Agnew said: And genetic studies bear it out to at least some extent. I suspect that if the genetic studies are done of ANY widespread species that lives in several different major river systems, they will find significant genetic differences in different populations. But is this enough to make them different species, or just different subspecies or strains? What was the alleged reasoning behind making it illegal to move crawdads over the hill ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillback Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 7 hours ago, Al Agnew said: But is this enough to make them different species, or just different subspecies or strains? The little bit that I read about it, there is some sort of genetic threshold or parameters that have to be met to qualify as a different species. I'm certainly not educated enough on the subject to make a call on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumboot Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Apologies in advance to Johnsfolly and Ham... They're all bream. Greasy B, bfishn, Jerry Rapp and 4 others 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjm Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 12 hours ago, fishinwrench said: What was the alleged reasoning behind making it illegal to move crawdads over the hill ? To prevent them becoming "mutts" like your fish. Call them species, strains, races, whatevers; the differences in populations of different watersheds may be significant in ways other than endogamy. At the very least it makes bigger numbers on a "life list" possible, more importantly one or more of the differences may be key to species survival in some habitats and becoming invasive in others. grizwilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjm Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Bream are a species of minnow that only lives in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumboot Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 8 minutes ago, tjm said: Bream are a species of minnow that only lives in Europe. You sir are incorrect. They're all over the South. Maybe it's the spelling throwing you off. In MS many spell it "Brim". Does that help? Greasy B and bfishn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjm Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Brim is the part of a hat that keeps the sun off your ears. Gumboot and FishnDave 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 2 hours ago, Gumboot said: Apologies in advance to Johnsfolly and Ham... They're all bream. I see you trollin Gumboot and BilletHead 1 1 Every Saint has a past, every Sinner has a future. On Instagram @hamneedstofish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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