De-Mystifying The Wiggle Wart

[abkeenan]

6 minutes ago, Flysmallie said:

Nobody understands how a fish perceives color, Yes there are some scientific theories out there but no one truly knows except for the fish. And they aren't talking.

 

Roland Martin does.....how do you think he came up with the fool proof Color-C-Lector?

[m&m]

Here's what I know about color.  I can just as easily NOT catch fish on a red lure as a green lure. Just sayin'!

Mike

[vernon]

1 hour ago, Flysmallie said:

Nobody understands how a fish perceives color, Yes there are some scientific theories out there but no one truly knows except for the fish. And they aren't talking.

 

And THAT'S a fact cause I've asked them many times and not a word. 

[Old plug]

Nobody knows  what they are thinking either. 

I do like green in different medium shades of green on my bucktail jigs because it looks natural. To this I normally attach a Zoom brush hog in watermellon or punkin. depending on whatever one my hand falls on. Then along comes something like the pattern sprayed grass they have in the brush hog. First time I drug one of those thru the water on a jig it actually startled me. I am currently using one of those on a gray hair jig. It seems like the ticket. I use the gray because it tends to blend with the shad forage that is the big deal this time of year. Years ago I use to use white at this time of the year with limited success. I think it is just to bright even for a reaction bite when your pitching them real close. 

[Quillback]

2 hours ago, abkeenan said:

That video makes me think of line also. Remember when Cajun Line came out with their red line? Using the info suggested in that video was their selling point that red gets filtered out first thus the Cajun Line was the most invisible of all lines.

Also, remember when red hooks were the rage? You will get more bites on a red hook than a bronze or nickel hooks. But if red is filtered out first wouldn't those hooks be LESS visible to the fish or completely invisible beyond the 15 foot'ish range?

Quite a few people also use green mono on Table Rock as it blends in with the natural green tinge/stain that lake has for most of the year. But according to that chart green is in the mid range, if not beyond, of being filtered out last. How does that make any sense then? 

Just like anything else you can take data and skew it anyway you want to argue your point. I guess in the end it gets back to fisherman being a gullible group who falls for snake oil marketing time and time again. And I'm okay to be part of that group!

For sure.  And of course we don't know what a fish "sees", but water does filter light colors.  A red lure will not reflect red light if it running 20 feet down, it has become a gray lure.  What do the fish think?  Who the heck knows?

I use green for mono, so I can tell it apart from floro when I look at what I have spooled on a reel.  I don't think it makes any difference myself. I don't know that bass get spooked by line, heck, they'll hit stuff on an A-rig. 

[merc1997 Bo]

2 hours ago, abkeenan said:

Roland Martin does.....how do you think he came up with the fool proof Color-C-Lector?

I am not for sure, but I think loren hill actually was the inventor of the color selector.  now, o'son and billy boy dance both hawked them, and that alone makes it more identifiable to both of them.

a friend of mine had one, and once in a while, the darn thing was right on.  but, did it prove that the machine was correct or that fishing the correct depth and speed a bass can e triggered into biting??  and, so goes the big debate.

bo

[fishinwrench]

The Color-C-Lector was a big deal back in my bass club fishing days and I'll never forget those rediculis paint jobs on the baits a bunch of guys were throwing.  I'm glad I never fell for that.

Instead I ran around all over the lake dropping pH probes everywhere.... and wasted an equal amount of time. 

In hindsight I can say with 100% certainty that following my gut instincts and my totally unfounded hunches has paid off way more than any of the "science" I have ever tried to apply to fishing.     

When you attempt to make sense of it you usually do more harm than good.  The size and color that just initially "feels right" is the one you should tie on and stick with.  Trying to "determine and match the available forage" is a complete waste of time, and that mentality and effort will not pay off consistently.  Throw what FEELS RIGHT until something changes your mind and makes it not feel right anymore.   

The guys that used to consistently kick our butts in tournaments were the furthest thing from scientific.  Hell they didn't even read the fishing magazines, probably because they couldn't READ very well.....and in THIS GAME the inability to read and comprehend benefitted them.    Just something to think about.  But wait, maybe you shouldn't even think about THAT.  Because most of the problem boils down to too much thinking.    

[Quillback]

Then I guess dyslexia should be a good thing to have if you are a fisherman. 

Maybe it's more of an ability to think outside the box, be unconventional, that works.

[abkeenan]

2 hours ago, Quillback said:

For sure.  And of course we don't know what a fish "sees", but water does filter light colors.  A red lure will not reflect red light if it running 20 feet down, it has become a gray lure.  What do the fish think?  Who the heck knows?

I use green for mono, so I can tell it apart from floro when I look at what I have spooled on a reel.  I don't think it makes any difference myself. I don't know that bass get spooked by line, heck, they'll hit stuff on an A-rig. 

The A-Rig deal forever ruined me giving two rips about fish being able to see the line. Before that I was still cognizant of line size/diameter and color/transparency. Only thing that matters to me now is how the line affects the bait I am using. So line type (mono, co-poly or fluoro) and diameter as it relates to breaking strength, amount of stretch, rate of fall and cranking depth is all I care about these days.

[Quillback]

1 minute ago, abkeenan said:

The A-Rig deal forever ruined me giving two rips about fish being able to see the line. Before that I was still cognizant of line size/diameter and color/transparency. Only thing that matters to me now is how the line affects the bait I am using. So line type (mono, co-poly or fluoro) and diameter as it relates to breaking strength, amount of stretch, rate of fall and cranking depth is all I care about these days.

Yep, that's my view on it.  But, that being said, no way I'm fishing red line.  Or that bight yellow stuff.