Bed Fishing

[mojorig]

On ‎4‎/‎26‎/‎2016 at 0:50 PM, fishinwrench said:

With all that's been said I still think the best move is to weigh/score/release immediately.    

In all other fishing regs once a fish is added to your creel it is yours.  You either release unharmed immediately or keep it and add it to your daily limit.  You can't cull trout, can you?  Noooo, cuz they cost money to raise and stock.

The MDC set their culling laws to allow it in bass tournaments.   Why ?   Are they looking out for the ethical treatment of fish (which is what they get paid to do) or are they pandering to a group that spends some money elsewhere?   Pretty sure we know the answer to that, and the bottom line is that it's not cool.  

It's odd that none of their Biologists care to recognize that constantly relocating fish like LMB could disturb the population balance that they supposedly care so much about, with all their electroshocking, tag tracking, and other crap. 

In Arkansas, all fish except rainbow trout maybe be culled at anytime.

We actually don't hold the bass for very long when we EF.  We do short runs when sampling so they are released close to where they were sampled. The fish we sample, no matter the species, are released close to where they are sampled.

 I'm a big bass fisherman just like all of you so we try to take as best of care as we can so we all can enjoy catching them (myself included lol).

Sorry wrench, I hope I didn't to call you out.

As always, this has been another great tread which help us gather angler opinions on issues.

[mixermarkb]

I really like the Major League Fishing type tourney..

 

psst.

Hey- Major League Fishing guys.

Step 1: Write up a mobile device app, and bring an affordable digital scale to market that plugs into mobile devices. Brand it all with MLF logos.

Step 2: Create a national MLF tournament network, with a end of year fish-off for a brand new Nitro and years supply of Jack Link Jerky, and a spot in the next season of MLF to the winner, and publish a set of standards local tournament directors have to adopt to become a MLF affiliate, and collect a small ($20) fee from each affiliated event.

Step 3: rake, bundle, and band all of the cash generated by steps 1 and 2 and distribute it to the MLF partners.

[mjk86]

52 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

Good grief!   Mention a better method of scoring for tournaments and now everyone assumes that closing seasons is the only alternative.   

Back up a bit.  Immediate C&R unless you plan to keep and eat them will do just fine.  Transporting fish for any other reason (like to show off how awesome of a fish slayer you were today)  is uncalled for.  

Thats not all you mentioned.  You went on to rant about things you clearly know little or nothing about.  If you dont say such outrageous stuff i will certainly back off...but you were begging for it.

[Smalliebigs]

6 hours ago, chi0082 said:

All of those studies are saying that eventually everything comes out in the wash. So removing a bass from it's bed and relocating it (tournament fishing) won't be such a big impact because there's a ton of other bass spawning in the same area. And then they go on to say that maybe 5% of the fry that hatch make it to adult anyways. Well according to my math, if you remove that bass and relocate it, that bed is practically destroyed and has ZERO chance of producing any fry. I'll take the 5% over zero any day. No matter how many zero's I add up, they still equal zero. I can add fractions and eventually come up with a number larger than zero every single time. The math is simple folks. Fishing beds and relocating bass during the spawn does more harm than good, no matter how you 

[5bites]

1 hour ago, Champ188 said:

5bites, the Ford Model T was fine. But visionaries wanted faster transportation with more creature comforts. Thank goodness coz I really like my 4WD GMC crew cab.

Wooden 14-foot V-bottoms were fine at one time. But thankfully people like Forrest Wood were thinking ahead, so now we have the modern bass boat. Again, vision.

You've stated several times on here that you won't go anywhere without your gun, and that you won't even fish a tournament if they won't let you carry your gun. You're fine right now, right? So why carry a gun? Wait, are you looking ahead and anticipating that something could happen?

Yes, we have some great fisheries around our part of the country, including Table Rock. But there's nothing wrong with kicking around some ideas that might make them better. That's all anyone is doing here.

You took this way out of context. I didn't say not to strive for improvement. I did say regulations to appease some and hurt others will always lead to hurting everyone. I made good comparisons to show how hypocritical some sounded. You are comparing products to people's rights and regulations. Not even close bud. And the gun thing? That's really grasping. I don't mind healthy debate and ideas but make it comparable please. 

[5bites]

I can say this with complete honesty. I believe jerkbaits do as much or more damage to fish than most any other lure or technique. Do I fish them? Yep. Do I think you should stop fishing them? Nope. See how simple and easy that is. Now by some others beliefs I would never throw one and think others shouldn't either for the sake of an imaginary future. This rather than improve the fishery itself with better water levels stability (ya ya a pipe dream) and better/more habit. You are the pot calling the kettle black here. 

[MOPanfisher]

The interesting thing to me on the mortality study of fishing tournaments was the range of mortality from less than one percent to over 90 percent.  however in looking at the data, some of it was from a single tournament, they varied from lake to lake, and by water temp.  There is no doubt that some tournaments have a higher mortality rate depending on how and when they are held.  The ones that high the high mortality rate usually get called out by fishermen that see what is happening.  Others that have a very low rate usually hear nothing or an occasional comment about how well it was run.  Growth rates, population densities, spawning success, lake levels, and especially habitat are going to be the driving factors in reproduction.  There is no body of water I am aware of that couldn't be improved, the best improvement we as fishermen can do is habitat.  Table Rock is big enough that no once can say that the habitat is as good as it can be, why do the high water years have such great spawning success on average, and fishing so good 3-4 years later, simple the brush and shoreline is flooded giving fry the greatest chance at survival. 

[5bites]

^^^^^ Exactly. Control the things that can be controlled rather than regulate one method or the other because you just don't like it. Calling for regulated seasons and the stop of tournaments is over the top. So is suggesting sight fishing is bad if you yourself wet a line before July. That's just hypocritical. 

[DADAKOTA]

49 minutes ago, 5bites said:

I can say this with complete honesty. I believe jerkbaits do as much or more damage to fish than most any other lure or technique. Do I fish them? Yep. Do I think you should stop fishing them? Nope. See how simple and easy that is. Now by some others beliefs I would never throw one and think others shouldn't either for the sake of an imaginary future. This rather than improve the fishery itself with better water levels stability (ya ya a pipe dream) and better/more habit. You are the pot calling the kettle black here. 

I hate to get off topic, but can you explain how jerkbaits do so much damage?  Never damaged a fish with a stickbait yet.  Senkos, neds, and other soft plastics definitely get swallowed and probably result in ultimately killing a fish.  Back in the day I used to throw an Eagle Claw 45 worm hook.  That is till I noticed about 8 of 10 fish had the hookpoint right up through the eye.  Put them in the trash after that.

[Champ188]

2 hours ago, 5bites said:

You took this way out of context. I didn't say not to strive for improvement. I did say regulations to appease some and hurt others will always lead to hurting everyone. I made good comparisons to show how hypocritical some sounded. You are comparing products to people's rights and regulations. Not even close bud. And the gun thing? That's really grasping. I don't mind healthy debate and ideas but make it comparable please. 

The gun issue seems perfectly comparable to me. It is you who went all NRA --- "you guys are gonna rule us all out of fishing" --- at the mere suggestion that some new/revised regulations might help the bass fishery in our aging lake.

Incidentally, I support the Second Amendment and the right of everyone (except convicted felons) to bear arms. And I do not back PETA.