To our OAF men in blue

[Champ188]

14 minutes ago, 96 CHAMP said:

I don't think it's that complicated of a issue, It all starts in the home. I believe those of us hear on this forum were fortunate to have been brought up by good parents and taught to have respect for other people, & to have even a bit more respect for those that help & protect the citizens,,, law enforcement, firefighters, medical personal, etc. We all are very fortunate, Not to give anyone a excuse for there actions, but for those that did not have that atmosphere in there childhood is sad. We all got in some kind of trouble when younger but the good parenting we had as kids comes to light as we grow up. Thanks Mom & Dad!!

You nailed it, 96 CHAMP.

[96 CHAMP]

7 minutes ago, Champ188 said:

You nailed it, 96 CHAMP.

Thank you Sir!!

[Ffer]

Did that work for 11+ yrs before getting lucky and getting on a fire dept. Retired from there after 26 + . Those men in blue have my utmost respect. Be safe out there. It's a

lot different now. God bless.

[176champion]

1 hour ago, 96 CHAMP said:

I don't think it's that complicated of a issue, It all starts in the home. I believe those of us hear on this forum were fortunate to have been brought up by good parents and taught to have respect for other people, & to have even a bit more respect for those that help & protect the citizens,,, law enforcement, firefighters, medical personal, etc. We all are very fortunate, Not to give anyone a excuse for there actions, but for those that did not have that atmosphere in there childhood is sad. We all got in some kind of trouble when younger but the good parenting we had as kids comes to light as we grow up. Thanks Mom & Dad!!

Right on 96 champ!!!! Most of the people of today dont even respect themselves...

[Mitch f]

If you have the time, this is possibly the greatest insight I've heard on the subject:

 

[vernon]

1 hour ago, Mitch f said:

If you have the time, this is possibly the greatest insight I've heard on the subject:

 

This is incredible though not surprising to anyone that's been paying attention.  Heaven forbid we actually recognize the facts and the truth.  Thanks for sharing - I will do the same.

[fishinwrench]

Well here's the deal.....

An active shooter needs to be taken down by whatever means is the quickest, but there are other ways to subdue combative drug dealers and/or cigar thief's, and folks who drive off without paying for fuel.   The whole "Do exactly as I say immediately OR DIE" mentality is never going to work out well when people are upset/freaked out/wound up for whatever reason.

If you think that being immediately submissive and doing what an officer tells you to do is always the best choice then maybe you should speak to the Brandon Ellingson family.  

Not everyone that an officer has contact with believes that they've done anything wrong.  Or at least not "wrong enough" that they should just have to surrender and go cuffed to the jailhouse and fight it out LEGALLY $$$$$$. later.

[Smalliebigs]

5 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

Well here's the deal.....

An active shooter needs to be taken down by whatever means is the quickest, but there are other ways to subdue combative drug dealers and/or cigar thief's, and folks who drive off without paying for fuel.   The whole "Do exactly as I say immediately OR DIE" mentality is never going to work out well when people are upset/freaked out/wound up for whatever reason.

If you think that being immediately submissive and doing what an officer tells you to do is always the best choice then maybe you should speak to the Brandon Ellingson family.  

Not everyone that an officer has contact with believes that they've done anything wrong.  Or at least not "wrong enough" that they should just have to surrender and go cuffed to the jailhouse and fight it out LEGALLY $$$$$$. later.

I agree with you that cop was a dumbass and should pay the price but, he won't. I have friends and family that are LEO'S but, I'm a clown and always have been.

We definitely  have some people  being cops that shouldn't  be but, that being said this whole resistant  Bull from the AA and Libertarian community  is  stupid as well IMO

[Phil Lilley]

@Smalliebigs

Tried to send you a PM but couldn't.

[Sore Thumbs]

These officers are understaffed and need whatever help they can get. It's gonna be harder and harder to find people willing to work in this crazy environment. Cities are pulling funding and demanding more of their underpaid force. You wanna see a bad situation? Go look at murder rates in Chicago the last 5 years. They refuse to put enough officers in bad areas and people are killing each other like crazy. Kudos to those brave folks who go out and brave that stuff.