FAMOUS LAST WORDS (Trophy Carp Regs)

[MoCarp]

1 hour ago, Quillback said:

I have not seen one single person on Beaver, Table Rock or numerous other lakes around here fishing with all the European carp gear.  Let alone seeing Brits fishing for anything, though I am sure there are a few fishing the White.

Could be a person or two that has a forked stick propping up a rod on the bank may be targeting carp, but I have yet to see one single person fishing with the Euro gear.  And why would you?  Who needs an alarm to tell you you've got a bite?  Unless you passed out from boredom waiting 3 days for a bite, because apparently they spend hours preparing "ballies" (whatever they call them) to use as bait, but yet they can't get a carp to bite on them unless they fish for a week, heck, I ball up some wet Wheaties on a treble hook and maybe wait 15 minutes and ol' bugle mouth will be all over it. 

they are there, you just don't notice them....and thats for good reason..the LAST thing you want to do is show your lumping grounds to get shot up

on a normal trip on a white river chain lake... I usually land 15-20 fish from 8# to mid to upper teens, sometimes catch a 20 or so, my largest is a 36..only in select waters here in the states and the EU do you see such pressured fish that require such long waits.

typically I use a boilie on one of 3 rods, then a single plastic pop up corn on a method/PVA...and some boiled feed corn on another....the alarms lets me relax and no need to stand vigilant for a hook set..bolt rigs the fish are already hooked....

 

when I first went to a CAG social at fellows lake in Springfield oh so many years ago, I thought just as you did....I got one bite...while the euro gear guys landed fish after fish after fish....a guy CAN catch bass in a 10hp powerd 14' jon boat, chunking beetle spins on a zebco 33, but in a tourney he doesn't have the tools to be competitive....sad to say the jon boat basser has more of a chance than you do with wheaties dough balls in most cases...

small 5-6# carp are far easier to fool and land than their bigger brethren....once a fish hits about 20# they have avoided being shot at...ate....landed.....for about 8 years or so....and at 20# plus they have the power to shell the gear most people have to land them......some days just like with any fishing everything works..but to catch big fish of any kind consistently you need to know your stuff...most people think a 8# carp is a 20#er....at 26-28 inches will weigh about 8-10 pounds....its hard to go back to bass fishing after even a small carp rips off 2-3 long runs and takes 10 minutes to land..and since the best fishing is the night bite from the end of July to the 1st of Sept....when other fishing is slower it fills a nice void in the fishing calendar.

one of these days you just need to see it and experience it to understand,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifvse0L_mmg <--sexy women with carp

 

[Quillback]

I've caught a few carp in my lifetime, and feel absolutely no desire to fish for them.  Just not into bait fishing, and when I do fish bait, I'd rather chase bluegills, crappie, or cats. 

[MoCarp]

39 minutes ago, Quillback said:

I've caught a few carp in my lifetime, and feel absolutely no desire to fish for them.  Just not into bait fishing, and when I do fish bait, I'd rather chase bluegills, crappie, or cats. 

then why the hate on carp or better carp fishing for those of us that do?

its clear that having great trophy carp fishing can go hand in hand with great "game" fishing...alligator gar almost wiped out by old myths and false accusations on eating all the game fish etc....I have posted thread after thread debunking old carp myths....only waters with too many common carp are waters damaged  by source point solution and that have baby carp eaters over harvested ....

[Gavin]

Have some Brittish friends. Will join us on a trip when the exchange rate is good. Montana, Alaska, MI, MO & AR trout trips mostly. Usually flly to Spain or Portugal to fish trout. Sea trout or Conger Eels, nearby. Have never mentioned Carp. Mike equated halibut fishing to Conger eel. Miserable IMO, but you get lots of meat. 

[Quillback]

8 hours ago, MoCarp said:

then why the hate on carp or better carp fishing for those of us that do?

its clear that having great trophy carp fishing can go hand in hand with great "game" fishing...alligator gar almost wiped out by old myths and false accusations on eating all the game fish etc....I have posted thread after thread debunking old carp myths....only waters with too many common carp are waters damaged  by source point solution and that have baby carp eaters over harvested ....

I didn't say I hated them, I really don't care if they are in a lake or not.  I just don't care.

And I'll just say this, and others have said this also, you're not helping your carp cause by antagonizing people and making up BS.

The best thing you could do is get out and fish for them, show us what you caught, how you caught them etc., ( and catching them locally, not in some Brit carp pond).  I bet if you posted some reports, or had some of the other legions of LOCAL carp fishermen that you say are out there post reports on LOCAL lakes you might generate some interest.

There's a Carp forum on OA, get your buddies that you claim are out there fishing these lakes to post some reports, tell us how it is done, show us those 30 lb. carp.

[Ham]

30 minutes ago, Quillback said:

I didn't say I hated them, I really don't care if they are in a lake or not.  I just don't care.

And I'll just say this, and others have said this also, you're not helping your carp cause by antagonizing people and making up BS.

The best thing you could do is get out and fish for them, show us what you caught, how you caught them etc., ( and catching them locally, not in some Brit carp pond).  I bet if you posted some reports, or had some of the other legions of LOCAL carp fishermen that you say are out there post reports on LOCAL lakes you might generate some interest.

There's a Carp forum on OA, get your buddies that you claim are out there fishing these lakes to post some reports, tell us how it is done, show us those 30 lb. carp.

THIS ! You need to fish. Show us YOUR fish. Show us YOUR gear. Show us how YOU do it. No cut and paste, no links, and no BS. I love catching carp, but even I tire of the BS.

[SpoonDog]

13 hours ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

I went to every link on that dump of a website and couldn't get a price to fish or stay there.  Is that place actually still in business?  Their website sucks scum.  Where have we have we heard that before?

$16.50 was the cheapest I saw for a carp ticket, going up to $100+ for the cherry spots.  Trout/salmon went $45-$100+.  I didn't see an option where you could still fish if you didn't want to pay, which I'm guessing means some significant percentage of that Six Billion Pound economic benefit is tied up in ticket costs.  Tickets that wouldn't be sold here.  Money that wouldn't be made here. 

 

15 hours ago, MoCarp said:

then STOP clicking and hit the ignore.....then the only people "here" will be the converts that thank me for posting.....

This is going to come across as mean, and it isn't meant to be.  Anyway, I apologize in advance.  Dozens of people, on dozens of forums, for a decade or more, have had the same negative reaction to your posts and your behavior.  That level of consistency doesn't happen by accident.  The chances all of those people are wrong and you're right- it isn't likely.

The problem isn't the message.  People find the messenger an irritant.  You could have used any one of those instances as a learning experience- after all, a good salesman caters his pitch to his audience.  Instead, you just move forums- posting the same drivel to a different audience, yielding the same results, all the while kidding yourself you're doing anyone any favors.  Somehow you've got it in your head that if you burn 20 bridges and recruit five new potential carp anglers, that's the same thing as victory.  Maybe that's why progress in recognizing carp as a game species can be best described as...incremental.

You're your own worst enemy, MOCarp.  I can open a fishing magazine or log onto Facebook, Instagram and find people doing what you're trying to do- just better.  No cut/paste and light on the poorly edited YouTube videos, no justifying carp fishing through harebrained analyses of economic or ecological impact, or misinformed comparisons to other species.  No belittling of others- two adults disagreeing just means they disagree, it doesn't mean one is a clandestine bowfishing agent or that they gleefully huck carp onto the bank.  That someone doesn't agree lockstep with your position- especially if that position is predicated on BS- doesn't make them an enemy.  That someone is willing to call you out on BS doesn't make them an enemy, and I'm sorry you see the world that way.

That leads us to my last point.  I'm not ignoring you because, quite frankly, a lot of the things you say about carp (their ecological importance, economic importance, etc) is just simply BS.  If it were just BS I wouldn't have an issue- but if you're able to convince a significant number of anglers your BS is true, that BS will have measurable consequences on state agencies and the management of other fisheries, not just carp.  Because whether it's non-native trout anywhere, bass in Maine, pike in California, walleye in Wyoming...once a non-native sportfish has a constituency, it's much tougher to remove them, even when it's to protect native biodiversity.  If you're the poster boy for North American carp fishing, I have absolutely zero faith that when the time comes carp anglers will distinguish between the fisheries where they're doing damage and the fisheries where they're benign.  When there's a charlatan priming an audience, it's much more difficult for folks to talk reasonably, intelligently about an issue.  That's why I'm not going to hit ignore.

 

 

Dozens of people, from dozens of forums, for a decade or more, have reacted negatively to your behavior.  Your solution is for everyone else to modify their behavior- ignore you- because you either can't or won't modify yours. 

Do I have that right?

 

[MoCarp]

4 hours ago, Quillback said:

And I'll just say this, and others have said this also, you're not helping your carp cause by antagonizing people and making up BS.

The best thing you could do is get out and fish for them, show us what you caught, how you caught them etc., ( and catching them locally, not in some Brit carp pond).  I bet if you posted some reports, or had some of the other legions of LOCAL carp fishermen that you say are out there post reports on LOCAL lakes you might generate some interest.

There's a Carp forum on OA, get your buddies that you claim are out there fishing these lakes to post some reports, tell us how it is done, show us those 30 lb. carp.

 

[MoCarp]

4 hours ago, Quillback said:

The best thing you could do is get out and fish for them, show us what you caught, how you caught them etc., ( and catching them locally, not in some Brit carp pond).  I bet if you posted some reports, or had some of the other legions of LOCAL carp fishermen that you say are out there post reports on LOCAL lakes you might generate some interest.

There's a Carp forum on OA, get your buddies that you claim are out there fishing these lakes to post some reports, tell us how it is done, show us those 30 lb. carp.

There couple of catches one carp one buff both caught right here in the Ozarks.the last in my set up....I need to get some more camo buckets...bait? hemp flavored chick peas dyed black with food color..why? they look like big snails fish love them..the ball of chum is what brings them in.....all my own lil hands.

[MOPanfisher]

I think you could sell that last bait as a snack ball for fishermen.  If all else fails we could chuck them out for chum, would draw in all the baby carp, which would bring in all other predators to eat them.