ness Posted January 16, 2018 Posted January 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mitch f said: Well, I guess I AM familiar with at least one of John Hartford's songs. John
awhuber Posted January 16, 2018 Posted January 16, 2018 Do yourself a favor and watch this documentary! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_from_the_Mountain ness, Mitch f and MoCarp 3
ness Posted January 16, 2018 Posted January 16, 2018 Looks interesting. I’ve got the Alison Kraus & Union Station Live album. John
joeD Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 Victor Willis of the vocal/dance group Village People was amazing. He wrote the classic "YMCA." The Village People, I'm sure, would have been against this gravel mining business. This is about the negative effects of gravel mining on local fishing streams, right? Right? " Young man...." Mitch f and Smalliebigs 1 1
Mitch f Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 24 minutes ago, joeD said: Victor Willis of the vocal/dance group Village People was amazing. He wrote the classic "YMCA." The Village People, I'm sure, would have been against this gravel mining business. This is about the negative effects of gravel mining on local fishing streams, right? Right? " Young man...." JoeD...I was once in your shoes I said JoeD...I was shouting the blues I said JoeD...threads can change from the start That is THE. Ve-ry. best. part! BilletHead, ness and Johnsfolly 3 "Honor is a man's gift to himself" Rob Roy McGregor
joeD Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 "They have everything for you to enjoy, You can hang out with all the boys... You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal.. You can do whatever you feel..." Can't help it. I blame it on the way I was reared. Just couldn't leave my brother's behind. Mitch f 1
ness Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 Mmmmm, ok. That gravel mine is sounding better this morning. Again, why would we be against it? (in 500 words or less) John
MOFishwater Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 Maybe a bit over 500 words;) copied from another place *Air quality -Winter Bros own estimate on their plan states 20-25 diesel trucks entering and leaving per hour (using Rte 66 State Park outer road-approved by MODOT) -how much air pollution will this add to our area? -info received says they will be using a diesel hydraulic process during mining operations *Water quality for residents of Eureka, as well as unincorporated STL Co. -water table impacts. In 10 yrs an aquifer can lower (which their plans state they will be mining this land for 40 yrs to deplete all the resources) -about 75% of the 245 acres in Eureka is floodplain. This river floods often, I have seen very large fields of farmland behind my home flood multiple times/year most years. Winter Bros plans state they will only have a 300 foot buffer from the river. When that area floods, where will all the sediment from their mine end up? -where will the discharge from their process go? (see my photos of the flooding) *Loss of habitat, timbers, and effects on Meramec River estimated 9 wetland areas and 7 streams on this property stream flow effects, such as inputs to river and drawbacks multiple endangered species that could be in area, such as Elephantear mussel (candidate for Federal Endangered Species List), which MDC states is now only found in the Meramec River-many Birds of Conservation Concern, as well as a population of Nearly Threatened Red-Headed Woodpeckers(have declined by close to 70%, and return to same tree to nest yearly) are seen regularly in Rte 66 State Park and surrounding areas. Bald Eagles also are seen year-round. Safety - Impact of 20-25 trucks/hour! - Must use 109/44 interchange --busiest interchange in Eureka - Trucks cannot negotiate left turns without crossing over lanes - Uphill starting and merging into highway traffic traveling at 65 MPH+ - Impede rush hour traffic - Dump trucks accident record - In Eureka -- we all remember the family killed by a dump truck - In St. Louis County - Winter Brothers has been sued 9 times in recent past for negligence in St. Louis County alone - 40 yrs to deplete the resources, without any plan to avert the above dangers. - - - Some info saying this plant/mine may be in our area for the next 75-80 yrs! - Negative impact of allowing the open pit mine on 900 acres, to a depth of 70 feet - There are no visual, noise, or dust barriers/buffers, diesel exhaust buffers, or shields from electric lights during the 18 hours of operation 6 days each week for those immediately adjacent to the site - As the open pit mine progresses, they must transport sand and gravel from its mines upstream to its processing location downstream along a gravel roadway that must be constructed away from the flooding Meramec River and immediately adjacent to the 700 existing residences, nursing home and businesses. This will increase the noise, dust, electric lights and diesel exhaust fumes for the next 40 yrs @ least. Greasy B, Smalliebigs and evilcatfish 2 1
Smalliebigs Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, MOFishwater said: Maybe a bit over 500 words;) copied from another place *Air quality -Winter Bros own estimate on their plan states 20-25 diesel trucks entering and leaving per hour (using Rte 66 State Park outer road-approved by MODOT) -how much air pollution will this add to our area? -info received says they will be using a diesel hydraulic process during mining operations *Water quality for residents of Eureka, as well as unincorporated STL Co. -water table impacts. In 10 yrs an aquifer can lower (which their plans state they will be mining this land for 40 yrs to deplete all the resources) -about 75% of the 245 acres in Eureka is floodplain. This river floods often, I have seen very large fields of farmland behind my home flood multiple times/year most years. Winter Bros plans state they will only have a 300 foot buffer from the river. When that area floods, where will all the sediment from their mine end up? -where will the discharge from their process go? (see my photos of the flooding) *Loss of habitat, timbers, and effects on Meramec River estimated 9 wetland areas and 7 streams on this property stream flow effects, such as inputs to river and drawbacks multiple endangered species that could be in area, such as Elephantear mussel (candidate for Federal Endangered Species List), which MDC states is now only found in the Meramec River-many Birds of Conservation Concern, as well as a population of Nearly Threatened Red-Headed Woodpeckers(have declined by close to 70%, and return to same tree to nest yearly) are seen regularly in Rte 66 State Park and surrounding areas. Bald Eagles also are seen year-round. Safety - Impact of 20-25 trucks/hour! - Must use 109/44 interchange --busiest interchange in Eureka - Trucks cannot negotiate left turns without crossing over lanes - Uphill starting and merging into highway traffic traveling at 65 MPH+ - Impede rush hour traffic - Dump trucks accident record - In Eureka -- we all remember the family killed by a dump truck - In St. Louis County - Winter Brothers has been sued 9 times in recent past for negligence in St. Louis County alone - 40 yrs to deplete the resources, without any plan to avert the above dangers. - - - Some info saying this plant/mine may be in our area for the next 75-80 yrs! - Negative impact of allowing the open pit mine on 900 acres, to a depth of 70 feet - There are no visual, noise, or dust barriers/buffers, diesel exhaust buffers, or shields from electric lights during the 18 hours of operation 6 days each week for those immediately adjacent to the site - As the open pit mine progresses, they must transport sand and gravel from its mines upstream to its processing location downstream along a gravel roadway that must be constructed away from the flooding Meramec River and immediately adjacent to the 700 existing residences, nursing home and businesses. This will increase the noise, dust, electric lights and diesel exhaust fumes for the next 40 yrs @ least. right on!!!!!!.....seriously who is actually naïve enough to think the mining discharge will not go into the river??? come on man!!!! If this is allowed heads should be rolling. I know it's private land but, there should be an easement on all land with in the corridor of any stream or river that will not allow a private individual to do certain things with your land.....like mines or dumps
bfishn Posted January 17, 2018 Posted January 17, 2018 35 minutes ago, Smalliebigs said: right on!!!!!!.....seriously who is actually naïve enough to think the mining discharge will not go into the river??? come on man!!!! If this is allowed heads should be rolling. I know it's private land but, there should be an easement on all land with in the corridor of any stream or river that will not allow a private individual to do certain things with your land.....like mines or dumps I hate to say it, but get used to it, at least for the foreseeable future. The folks in charge of such things at the moment are erasing existing protections as fast as they can, all in the name of business $$$$. MOFishwater, MOstreamer and Greasy B 2 1 I can't dance like I used to.
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