Is There Nothing That Can Be Done??

[snagged in outlet 3]

4 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

I haven't a dog in this one because it's out of my 5 county zone,  but I'm almost compelled to jump in just on principal.

I mean.....this my kinda fight. 🤟

I’ll waive the 5 county rule.   Go ahead and start spewing some “common sense”  real world knowledge 😁

[Devan S.]

20 minutes ago, GENTLE said:

Devan, I dont put much stock into what some engineer or architect tells me after 25 plus years of working with them. They can draw you some pictures and scales and crunch a bunch of BS numbers together, but in the real world their numbers dont match reality. Example: I have a family business with several buildings and asphalt around them. When we were in the planning stages and going to city council meetings and whatnot, the mayor( who was a retired engineer by the way) came out with a bunch of calculations from our run off, and told people at those meetings that we'd FLOOD the town. Well long story short, we got approval to build and guess what, no such flooding has occurred in the 11+ years we've been there. Point being, numbers can be manipulated to be whatever you want them to be. Oh and by the way, ole Johnny has alot more interest in Table Rock than just selling shirts, if you havent noticed he owns everything on the east side of the lake.

We don't put much stock into anything they do or tell you yet we use stuff built, designed, and manufactured by them everyday. Don't worry I get it your not a facts and data guy. Shoot, ready, aim right?

I'm well aware Johnny has interest in Table Rock Lake but the lake level being 915 or 930 doesn't matter to him. Life goes on at Big Cedar, Dogwood, Top of the Rock, and Bass Pro regardless of lake level.

 

[Devan S.]

37 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

Oh hell yes!   Now we're cookin'! 👍

Biologists, Engineers, and Architects..... bastards, all of them !

As soon as I finish this plate of Alfredo I'll get a few shots of Devil's Cut, and we'll take this right where it belongs.    😊

Devil's cut......mmmmmhmmmm.

[fishinwrench]

Ok, so I dunno how things work down there, but here at LO and Truman they have been doing some crap for the last few years that made me wonder if they were all stoned or something. All they were concerned about was having Lake O at a nice friendly level for Memorial Day weekend.......But NOW since Truman almost got completely out of control this year, and I know it scared the crap out of them (even though they pretended to have it perfectly under control), suddenly they are conducting flows that make sense.  

That's probably what it's going to take to get their brains back on track down there.    They are gonna phuck around and hold way too much water....and mother nature is gonna test their theories and engineering skills for them.  

I'd say that some form of politics is definitely interfering with common sense down there, but I'd be real surprised if it was for Johnny's benefit alone.   JM has no reason to be greedy, and I know for a fact that he is smarter about flood control/hydro power reservoirs than that. Matter of fact, if you have genuine concerns then HE is probably the guy to share your concerns with.  He ain't stupid, and he does care.  He's not the enemy!

[MOPanfisher]

I'm a just gonna read and giggle occasionally.

[fishinwrench]

34 minutes ago, MOPanfisher said:

I'm a just gonna read and giggle occasionally.

I know you know.  Truman had them deeply concerned for awhile.  Didn't it?   😉

[MOPanfisher]

No

[rps]

Gentlemen, the problem you address has several variables you have not calculated.

First, the laws enabling the dams sets flood control as the first priority with energy production second. The Corps assigns out the second priority to energy companies. They give those companies the authority to release or not between certain lake levels. The agreement reserves the right of the Corps to take over control to meet the first priority. That means the energy companies save up the water to generate in July, August, and September when KWH rates are higher to meet the demand for AC. However, when floods threaten people or crops downstream, the Corps steps in to manage flows. Please note the phrase crops downstream. The rice farmers below Bull Shoals exert enormous influence. If you track the flows versus the levels needed for planting and harvesting downstream of Calico Rock, you will find a remarkable match. The minimum flow regulations TU fought to implement were a small effort to break that control of flows by the downstream planters.

In addition to to above, the reality is that Beaver can't hold a bucket, but Bull can. In between, TR is the stop gap/holding station. The Corps holds in Beaver as long as they can, then uses TR to manage flows into the deep well of BS.

Last of all, the drainage today is not the drainage when the dams were built. In 1955 to 1965, the cities did not exist. They were towns without the enormous amounts of concrete roads dumping the water into the river instead of soaking in for a slow flow into the system. Do you really think the flow off the hill from Branson today is the same as the flow in 1960?. The management has had to change.

In other words, your concerns - good fishing levels and good boating levels - are not on the list of priorities. The climatic and geographical facts have changed. And , last of all, you have no political clout to match Johnny and the rice growers.

Although I agree with you, until you convince Congress to change the rules , you are s.o.o.l.

[fishinwrench]

Holding water like a swing trader holds onto pork belly futures.... is not putting flood control on first priority.

🤔

If flood control is priority one, then the opportunity to let water go should never EVER get a pass.

[Jerry Rapp]

good explanation RPS.  Johnny Morris buying off the Corps, priceless.  The people in the Water Control Office in Little Rock must really be enjoying this thread.  It is threads like these that really make me take other threads (not related to fishing or Wrench's advice on outboard issues) with a big, big grain of salt.