jdmidwest Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 Gotta keep it light on here for the sensitive types. We are all here to have some fun and learn something. snagged in outlet 3 1 "Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously." — Hunter S. Thompson
fishinwrench Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 3 hours ago, top_dollar said: What is your argument here? You've never seen a doctor? You never will? I'm not arguing, you are. Doctors IMO are good for severe lacerations and broken bones. I don't have much faith in them for anything else. That's just me though. Some go to them every time they get a charley horse. I just grab a bunch of bananas.
Al Agnew Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 48 minutes ago, Mitch f said: Ok, so let me start by saying thanks, at least you’re listening to other points of view...unlike Dr. Fauci. So the accomplished research doctor writes an article in the journal of medicine stating that the use of animal and fetal tissue were “releasing devastating plagues of chronic diseases”. Fauci tried to fire her and she gets thrown in jail with no charges? Sounds to me like another Silkwood scenario. What was Fauci trying to hide? Seems a little suspicious to me. What ever happened to free speech? Mitch, you know the way science works is that if somebody publishes a paper challenging conventional wisdom, it gets peer reviewed by a bunch of other scientists. If it has merit, it will eventually be accepted by the majority of the scientific community. This peer review process, ideally, works to weed out those who are either incompetent in their research, or have an agenda--they already believe something and are looking for evidence to support it (and ignoring or downplaying anything that refutes it). But since this whole thing started, we've seen a ton of research just thrown out onto the cyberworld PRIOR to publishing and peer review. The media jumps on it. People think it's gospel--until the next one comes along that tells them just the opposite, and then they get angry and confused. The politicians glom onto it, too, if it fits THEIR agenda. The opposite comes out, and the other side gloms onto it. Meanwhile, a ton of people in this country have already decided that they know more than the experts, and seeing conflicting experts, they become more and more convinced they are right. Also meanwhile, the drug companies get into the act if they see that what one side or the other is saying might mean profits for them. The use of animal tissue and fetal tissue (stem cells) is widely accepted as valid and useful in the scientific community, but both are controversial with the animal rights people and the anti-abortion people decrying them. It's an issue ripe for a researcher who happens to be a "true believer" to already have an opinion and an agenda and go looking for evidence to support it, so I have to look upon the good research doctor as POSSIBLY being biased. But I don't take Fauci at his word, either. I will look at what a lot of OTHER "peers" say before I make up my own mind. ColdWaterFshr, Mitch f and Gavin 2 1
MOPanfisher Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, jdmidwest said: I got a thing for nurses, or maybe it was the candy stripers. Hard to remember when you are on painkillers. Me too. I do remember during my bone marrow tranaplant at KU there were a lot of hot young nurses, I also remember some older rougher looking ones, I love thwm ALL.
BilletHead Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, jdmidwest said: I got a thing for nurses, or maybe it was the candy stripers. Hard to remember when you are on painkillers. Too funny JD, Pat has had the pleasure to watch me come out from being under many times. She says I am a hoot. I love them all and am doing my best to charm them. She and the nurses have a good laugh at my expense . "We have met the enemy and it is us", Pogo If you compete with your fellow anglers, you become their competitor, If you help them you become their friend" Lefty Kreh " Never display your knowledge, you only share it" Lefty Kreh "Eat more bass and there will be more room for walleye to grow!" BilletHead " One thing in life is for sure. If you are careful you can straddle the barbed wire fence but make one mistake and you will be hurting" BilletHead P.S. "May your fences be short or hope you have long legs" BilletHead
MOPanfisher Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, fishinwrench said: I'm not arguing, you are. Doctors IMO are good for severe lacerations and broken bones. I don't have much faith in them for anything else. That's just me though. Some go to them every time they get a charley horse. I just grab a bunch of bananas. Having cancer I will happily hang onto and keep visiting my doctors. Including 1 Multiple Myeloma specialist and his whe.team of I think 7. My orthopedic oncologist who just built me a new shoulder and upper arm, my Hematologist and I think radiation doctor. Heck I will even keep my GP and I never see them again for treatment we will all count it as a raging success. (LOL unless its because i died)Never thought of trying the bananas when I was first diagnosed. Did eat a lot of them goin through transplant as they are a decent source of potassium and they do still like bananas when your body suddenly decided to violently expell them for no good reason, and that is better than plain old puke flavor.
Mitch f Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 26 minutes ago, Al Agnew said: Mitch, you know the way science works is that if somebody publishes a paper challenging conventional wisdom, it gets peer reviewed by a bunch of other scientists. If it has merit, it will eventually be accepted by the majority of the scientific community. This peer review process, ideally, works to weed out those who are either incompetent in their research, or have an agenda--they already believe something and are looking for evidence to support it (and ignoring or downplaying anything that refutes it). But since this whole thing started, we've seen a ton of research just thrown out onto the cyberworld PRIOR to publishing and peer review. The media jumps on it. People think it's gospel--until the next one comes along that tells them just the opposite, and then they get angry and confused. The politicians glom onto it, too, if it fits THEIR agenda. The opposite comes out, and the other side gloms onto it. Meanwhile, a ton of people in this country have already decided that they know more than the experts, and seeing conflicting experts, they become more and more convinced they are right. Also meanwhile, the drug companies get into the act if they see that what one side or the other is saying might mean profits for them. The use of animal tissue and fetal tissue (stem cells) is widely accepted as valid and useful in the scientific community, but both are controversial with the animal rights people and the anti-abortion people decrying them. It's an issue ripe for a researcher who happens to be a "true believer" to already have an opinion and an agenda and go looking for evidence to support it, so I have to look upon the good research doctor as POSSIBLY being biased. But I don't take Fauci at his word, either. I will look at what a lot of OTHER "peers" say before I make up my own mind. Fair enough, but why would she be thrown in jail? Do you think they thought she was releasing intellectual property? Seems just publishing a paper is free speech. fishinwrench and snagged in outlet 3 2 "Honor is a man's gift to himself" Rob Roy McGregor
ColdWaterFshr Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 Mitch, what is this researchers name? Was this in the YouTube video that was taken down?
Root Admin Phil Lilley Posted May 7, 2020 Root Admin Posted May 7, 2020 https://youtu.be/MbrLQpn1bj8 Mitch f 1
top_dollar Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 49 minutes ago, Phil Lilley said: https://youtu.be/MbrLQpn1bj8 This is another debunked conspiracy theory. There is a reason youtube keeps pulling this garbage. She is a total quack and anti vaxxer and shes had multiple papers retracted, and on top of that she's a thief.
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