Mo shut down

[aarchdale@coresleep.com]

7 minutes ago, mixermarkb said:

I also tend to believe that for what we pay hospitals for care in this country, that they should have been way, way more proactive in keeping inventory on hand. Experts have been predicting a pandemic for decades. Hospitals should be required to keep enough stock on hand to deal with national emergencies, not unlike how banks are regulated and stress tested. 

That goes back to where i wonder why i should be doing sleep studies wearing a mask when people on the front lines dont have enough masks to go around.   I think i just am needing approval from my peers to cancel so i can go fish

[mixermarkb]

Go fish before you can't. It's only a matter of time before the COE closes the lakes, IMHO.

[dtrs5kprs]

15 minutes ago, mixermarkb said:

Go fish before you can't. It's only a matter of time before the COE closes the lakes, IMHO.

It's pitchforks and torches, then.

[fishinwrench]

14 minutes ago, mixermarkb said:

Go fish before you can't. It's only a matter of time before the COE closes the lakes, IMHO.

Well, like I have to remind many of my customers......Fishing doesn't require a boat.    

More than likely you began fishing long before you had a boat to do it from.   

[mixermarkb]

16 minutes ago, dtrs5kprs said:

It's pitchforks and torches, then.

start sharpening and soaking then, cause it's coming. It's stupid, there is no science behind it, but with the crowds being reported, it's only a matter of time. If people won't keep their distance, and insist on partying in groups rather than just enjoying the lakes in solitude, its coming. Makes me wish I had my boat parked on a lift somewhere...

[dtrs5kprs]

43 minutes ago, mixermarkb said:

start sharpening and soaking then, cause it's coming. It's stupid, there is no science behind it, but with the crowds being reported, it's only a matter of time. If people won't keep their distance, and insist on partying in groups rather than just enjoying the lakes in solitude, its coming. Makes me wish I had my boat parked on a lift somewhere...

I'm pretty much pitchfork ready 24/7.

[MOPanfisher]

I will agree a lot was poorlyvhandled, but I have seen enough to know there are books, binde4s, plans files etc. For pandemics, hurricanes, etc, every conceivable calamity you can conceive of sitting around on shelves.  

I will say I do get a bit of a laugh out of when I read things like we should have been shut down or quarantined sooner and longer, and then in the next sentence saying that if anyone tris to monkey dodo down the boat ramps/liquor stores/whatever by golly we are gonna riot.  The simple fact that we as Americans don't take well to being ordered to stay home or that we cannot do something in particular is unique in most of the world.  Ordering Americans to wear socks would result in the largest percentage of bare feet in US history.

[vernon]

I would really like to see some numbers as to how many have actually died "from" the virus versus how many died that tested positive to "have" the virus.

I think it's pretty misleading to just lump all the numbers together when so many of the victims were unlikely to live much longer regardless.

I'm not trying to minimize anything here but also don't care for the mass sensationalizing of things which many are doing for purely self serving reasons.

Call it a prediction or just wishful thinking but I believe that thing's will start improving by the end of April and we'll be trending back towards "normal" (whatever that might look like in this new future) by June.

Paranoia and CYA will lead to some prolonged restrictions based upon nothing but just that plus the media and many politicians don't want it to ever end because it's so good for business.

Even if it's only their business.

[tjm]

I don't think it's the number that have actually died from the virus that has our leaders in a panic, it's more likely the number that require extra intensive care and tie up beds and qualified personnel. The speed of transmission and the percentage that require extraordinary care are so far out of the norm that the preparedness plans can't cope. Hospitals are built with turnover in mind (treat, release and bill) and sized according to the normal needs of the community.  You don't maximize profits (and thereby reduce care costs) by maintaining a thousand empty beds/rooms and you don't maximize profits by warehousing on premises tons of expendable supplies.  If we want hospitals to do this in the future, the expense will have to be paid through doubling or tripling  the cost of our ordinary treatments, unless we want to nationalize medicine and go to fully socialized single provider medicine and then the cost and the cost of the ballooning management bureaucracy will be paid for by increased taxes.    I don't want to go that road.

[vernon]

30 minutes ago, tjm said:

I don't think it's the number that have actually died from the virus that has our leaders in a panic, it's more likely the number that require extra intensive care and tie up beds and qualified personnel. The speed of transmission and the percentage that require extraordinary care are so far out of the norm that the preparedness plans can't cope. Hospitals are built with turnover in mind (treat, release and bill) and sized according to the normal needs of the community.  You don't maximize profits (and thereby reduce care costs) by maintaining a thousand empty beds/rooms and you don't maximize profits by warehousing on premises tons of expendable supplies.  If we want hospitals to do this in the future, the expense will have to be paid through doubling or tripling  the cost of our ordinary treatments, unless we want to nationalize medicine and go to fully socialized single provider medicine and then the cost and the cost of the ballooning management bureaucracy will be paid for by increased taxes.    I don't want to go that road.

I agree.  However, it's how the numbers are being utilized by most of the media and so many politicians that I find so annoying and unnecessarily misleading.

 In many cases these numbers are being manipulated so as to manipulate us. 

I just want some truth and honesty which is pretty hard to come by these days.

Give me the facts and I'll figure it out from there.

And I completely agree with your healthcare analysis.  No one can be 100% prepared for everything all of the time regardless of how much money can be thrown at it.

As my wife likes to say, "You gotta expect a few losses in a big operation."

As for single payer healthcare I think the success or more importantly, lack thereof, of countries employing socialized medicine in dealing with the virus to this point will put that conversation to sleep for a long, long time.