liphunter Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 I'm not sure I am buying into the whole meat crisis. There were two opossums, an armadillo, and what I think was a cat in the road out in front of the house yesterday. Freezer is packed!!! LD Fisher, Johnsfolly, Quillback and 1 other 1 3 Luck is where preparation meets opportunity...... Or you could just flip a coin???
vernon Posted May 7, 2020 Author Posted May 7, 2020 Sorry but it looks like they've removed it yet again. If you can find an interview with Dr. Judy Mikovits called "Plandemic" it would be worth your effort. She is one of the country's top viralogist's and worked for Dr. Fauci for many years - before he had her put in jail and placed under a gag order. She's now out of jail and the gag order has expired and she's written a book about what really goes on between the government, research labs and viral engineering. For instance she says that she was deeply involved in working with the Ebola virus and that it was unable to penetrate a human cell. Until they "taught it" how and it wiped out much of Africa. There are numerous other doctors involved all of whom state that we are handling this thing exactly the opposite of how we should be which has been my belief from the beginning. We're making ourselves MORE vulnerable not less and are depleting our immune systems by quarantine and sanitation efforts. Interesting stuff to those who are somewhat openminded and objective. top_dollar, Hunter53 and snagged in outlet 3 1 1 1 "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." George Carlin "The only money ever wasted is money never spent." Me.
vernon Posted May 7, 2020 Author Posted May 7, 2020 Found it again. "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." George Carlin "The only money ever wasted is money never spent." Me.
snagged in outlet 3 Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, vernon said: Found it again. I watched it yesterday before it got removed. Crazy!!! vernon 1
Members Lunker Lane Posted May 7, 2020 Members Posted May 7, 2020 Even if a smidge of this is true, frightening. vernon 1
Johnsfolly Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 38 minutes ago, liphunter said: I'm not sure I am buying into the whole meat crisis. There were two opossums, an armadillo, and what I think was a cat in the road out in front of the house yesterday. Freezer is packed!!! Can't wait for the hot summer months. You can eat those guys right from the road liphunter, Quillback and vernon 1 2
Johnsfolly Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 Ok this information is from Wikipedia. So take that with as many grains of salt as you wish. Judy Mikovits – from Wikipedia As research director of a CFS research organization Whittemore Peterson Institute (WPI) from 2006-2011, Mikovits led a research effort that reported in 2009 that a retrovirus known as xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (XMRV) was associated with CFS and may have had a causal role. However, the research came under fire, leading to an eventual retraction on December 22, 2011, by the journal Science. In October 2011, Mikovits was terminated by the WPI for refusing to turn over a cell line that was delivered to her laboratory by mistake, and subsequently came under investigation for alleged manipulation of data in her publications related to XMRV. On November 18, 2011, she was arrested in her Ventura County, California, home and jailed for 5 days. Her lawyer said she was arrested on charges of theft brought by the WPI, but that the charges had no merit. By November 28, after negotiations with the WPI, some lab notes were returned. Later, the criminal charges against her were dismissed by the Reno, Nevada, District Attorney's office Harvey Whittemore and his wife Annette were frustrated by lack of answers for CFS patients, including their daughter. In an effort to solve the CFS problem, they created the Whittemore Peterson Institute in 2005; Mikovits became the research director in 2006. Attempts to find a viral cause of CFS were unsuccessful. In 2007, Mikovits met a co-discoverer of XMRV, Robert Silverman, at a conference. Silverman had found XMRV sequences, which are highly similar to mouse genomic sequences, in prostate cancer specimens several years earlier. Using tools obtained from Silverman, Mikovits began to look for XMRV in her CFS samples. In late 2008, a graduate student, who subsequently was hired as her technician, obtained two positive results from a group of twenty samples. He and Mikovits successively altered the experimental conditions until all samples gave a positive signal. In 2009, Mikovits and co-workers reported in the journal Science that they had detected XMRV DNA in CFS patients and control subjects. Negative results were published soon after, disputing Mikovits's findings. Silverman, who was a co-author of the original XMRV-CFS article, told the Chicago Tribune that he was "concerned about lab contamination, despite our best efforts to avoid it." Two of the original authors of this paper subsequently reanalyzed the samples used in the research and found that the samples were contaminated with XMRV plasmid DNA, leading them to publish a partial retraction of their original results. In December 2011 the editors of Science retracted the paper in its entirety. Mikovits was fired in September 2011 over concerns about her integrity. Lo and Alter, in their 2010 paper titled "Detection of MLV-related virus gene sequences in blood of patients with chronic fatigue syndrome and healthy blood donors", stated "Although we find evidence of a broader group of MLV-related viruses, rather than just XMRV, in patients with CFS and healthy blood donors, our results clearly support the central argument by Lombardi et al. that MLV-related viruses are associated with CFS and are present in some blood donors." This paper was also later retracted by the authors. Mikovits and collaborators went on to participate, alongside two other research groups, in a larger 2012 study with 147 CFS patients and 146 controls. The study concluded that there was no evidence of XMRV or MLV infection in either group, a result that Mikovits said was "the definitive answer" on the issue. Mikovits has become a champion for believers in medical conspiracy theories, basing claims linking the XMRV to autism and cancer on other retracted papers, and claiming she had been jailed by the influence of the Deep state and Big Pharma for exposing the truth about vaccines. In reality, she was arrested on November 18, 2011, for allegedly stealing lab notebooks, a computer, and other material belonging to Whittemore Peterson Institute (WPI). She was held temporarily pursuant to that case. Subsequently, criminal charges brought against Mikovits by Washoe County, Nevada, were dismissed by the District Attorney and Assistant District Attorney in Reno, Nevada. Mikovits has spoken at a number of anti-vaccination events. She has claimed that retroviruses have contaminated 30% of vaccines. Mikovits has garnered criticism from scientists for stating that XMRV is a communicable infection which is "clearly circulating through the population, as is our fear and your fear". Virologist Vincent Racaniello said that Mikovits's assertion "is just inciting fear." Mikovits showed slides at a conference linking XMRV to Parkinson's disease, autism and multiple sclerosis. However, there is no published evidence that XMRV is associated with these diseases. Mikovits has gained attention on social media for promoting her ideas about the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. She does not believe that a vaccine is needed to prevent COVID-19, and claims that the coronavirus was "caused by a bad strain of flu vaccine that was circulating between 2013 and 2015". She also claimed masks will “activate” the virus and reinfect a mask-wearer over and over. One of her videos about the coronavirus pandemic was fact-checked by the website Maldita.es, which rated the claims she made as either false or not based in evidence. One such circulating video gained notoriety in May 2020. Titled Plandemic Part 1, this film is a half-hour long documentary-styled interview of Mikovits's perspective on the accusations thrown upon her by the WPI. YouTube has removed this video from its website a number of times, citing community guidelines. snagged in outlet 3, Quillback and top_dollar 1 2
garyw Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 who's right and who's wrong,.......he said she said. both sides sell compelling stories.....who knows. just sad. snagged in outlet 3 1
snagged in outlet 3 Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 I'm getting to the point of not trying to figure out what is what anymore. Just more stress and clearly we are in the dark. So.... I'm going fishing later today. liphunter, MOPanfisher, Quillback and 1 other 4
top_dollar Posted May 7, 2020 Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, vernon said: Sorry but it looks like they've removed it yet again. If you can find an interview with Dr. Judy Mikovits called "Plandemic" it would be worth your effort. She is one of the country's top viralogist's and worked for Dr. Fauci for many years - before he had her put in jail and placed under a gag order. She's now out of jail and the gag order has expired and she's written a book about what really goes on between the government, research labs and viral engineering. For instance she says that she was deeply involved in working with the Ebola virus and that it was unable to penetrate a human cell. Until they "taught it" how and it wiped out much of Africa. There are numerous other doctors involved all of whom state that we are handling this thing exactly the opposite of how we should be which has been my belief from the beginning. We're making ourselves MORE vulnerable not less and are depleting our immune systems by quarantine and sanitation efforts. Interesting stuff to those who are somewhat openminded and objective. She is not one of the country's top virologist. That video is pure conspiracy drivel and intellectually lazy on all counts. She is an anti vaxxer, and a thief. On top of that she has had multiple papers retracted due to poor methodology and the fact that nobody could reproduce her results. She is a bad scientist and an even worse human. Don't just take what you see on youtube as fact. Scientific method = 1. Ask Question 2. Formulate Hypothesis 3. Conduct experiment. 4. Analyze results 5. Form conclusion Conspiracy theory method = 1. Ask Quesion 2. Form conclusion. OAF method = 1. Watch videos that confirm our own biases 2. Form conclusion MOstreamer and Quillback 1 1
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