Covid OTC Treatments

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34 minutes ago, Devan S. said:

1. The people authorizing use are not likely the same group releasing the documentation. Doctors/scientist vs. lawyers. 

2. I'm sure there is a non-disclosure agreement between any pharmaceutical company and the FDA to protect private patient data likely included in the trials, trade secrets, ect. Pfizer(lawyers) probably additionally has agree to anything being release to validate it doesn't violate the NDA.

3. EVERY single item will be reviewed by a legal team on both sides. 

It sounds like you trust them without question with your life and health?    Which you are in this case.   I, on the other hand am not.  As stated in the ruling.  
 

“pointed out in court papers, the FDA as of 2020 had 18,062 employees. Surely some can be dispatched to pitch in at the FOIA office.“

[fishinwrench]

26 minutes ago, MrGiggles said:

My brother's wife is a pretty active smoker. Says the different strains are what can cause paranoia and anxiety. If you don't like one try another. 

I've only smoked once. Not a bad feeling, it was kinda like an alcohol buzz but without the physical impairment.

Yeah yeah, that whole Sativa/Indica thing is a crock of BS.  🙄 

It all depends on how often you partake, and for how long you've been a wake-n-baker.  

There's a reason why your lungs explode after a hit of ganja.  That's your body telling you to QUIT INHALING THIS $#!T !

Original Colombian weed was smooth, had a wonderful flavor and a pleasant smell.   

Jesus Christ! Anything that reeks of skunk and initially causes your lungs to turn inside out is NOT good for you. 

  Carburetor cleaner does not burn my skin or even burn my eyes anymore.....but it darn sure USED TO.  And I'm smart enough to know that just because I have built up a tolerance to it, I still need to try to avoid contact with it as much as possible.

[Devan S.]

11 minutes ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

It sounds like you trust them without question with your life and health?    Which you are in this case.   I, on the other hand am not.  As stated in the ruling.  
 

“pointed out in court papers, the FDA as of 2020 had 18,062 employees. Surely some can be dispatched to pitch in at the FOIA office.“

It really doesn't matter if I do or I don't trust them. 

I was just strictly pointing out reasons why they wont release all 400+k pages yesterday.

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1 minute ago, Devan S. said:

It really doesn't matter if I do or I don't trust them. 

I was just strictly pointing out reasons why they wont release all 400+k pages yesterday.

Point taken.  I think it should be a prerequisite to approval of any drug.  Even in an “emergency”.    Have all the documents ready for immediate release if approved.   As you can tell I don’t trust them as far as I could kick their skulls.  
Were you ok with 55 years?    Would you give it to your kids?  

[Devan S.]

2 minutes ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

Were you ok with 55 years?    Would you give it to your kids?  

Not remotely. It's embarrassing that was their first answer. It reeks of government bureaucracy and lawyers driving the bus and not the whole, "everyone will be dead by the time we have to release the bad stuff" argument.

Right now my kids aren't eligible so it doesn't matter yet. That said currently I believe for young children the risks of COVID are very low and there is about 5 things more likely to kill them that I'm much more worried about. 

The good news is that you and I already made our choice one way or the other. Assuming you made the same choice I did, regardless of what is or isn't revealed in the release, there is literally nothing we can do about it now.

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14 minutes ago, Devan S. said:

Not remotely. It's embarrassing that was their first answer. It reeks of government bureaucracy and lawyers driving the bus and not the whole, "everyone will be dead by the time we have to release the bad stuff" argument.

Right now my kids aren't eligible so it doesn't matter yet. That said currently I believe for young children the risks of COVID are very low and there is about 5 things more likely to kill them that I'm much more worried about. 

The good news is that you and I already made our choice one way or the other. Assuming you made the same choice I did, regardless of what is or isn't revealed in the release, there is literally nothing we can do about it now.

We agree on all you said.   I’ve had two jabs of Pfizer.   I’m not anti fax either.   I also had the flu jab this year.   I probably would’ve gotten boosted too if there weren’t any breakthrough cases but once there were thousands of them I’ll pass on any more.   Maybe the Novavax but definitely not the current moderna, jnj or Pfizer.  

I made the best decision I thought was good for me and my family at the time with information available.   I was skeptical but I did it.  Had I known then what I knew now I would not.   

I enjoy discussing the issue too.   I might learn something.   That’s what scared me in the beginning is the canceling of any discussion about it.   That’s not good science or a good practice with anything    We run across this at work all the time.  Someone will bring something up while brainstorming that nobody else thought of and we say:  Good catch I didn’t think of that   

Do you think they should be mandated?

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New variant in France.  IHU.  46 mutations and 36 deletions.   

[Devan S.]

23 minutes ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

  Do you think they should be mandated?

I didn't necessarily take it to keep from getting it and I expect efficacy to wane just like a flu shot. I also understood that 90-95% is at best between 5-10 people in one hundred are still potentially going to get it(not the exact definition of efficacy but it works in my brain). 

Government mandates no. 

[JestersHK]

Hope you're feeling better Ryan, I try hard to avoid the politics talk, but a bunch of you who know me know my thoughts on the subject.   

I will say after working for Pfizer, Monsanto, Bayer, BJC, and now the financial sector of Mastercard I can tell you I have seen evil up close and personal, and it exists in the form of men and greed... Namely higher ups in the companies, then entire buildings full of lawyers and lobbyists that protect them, and the government which works hand in hand with them to push agendas.

Some days I'm ashamed of it,  that I sold a piece of my soul to provide for my family...

Some days I get a win after the fruits of my previous labors finally take down a bad guy.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/chinese-man-pleads-guilty-to-stealing-monsanto-trade-secret

End of the day we all must make choices.  I'm on job number 3 since leaving my previous career and trying to right my internal demons. Lost 2 new jobs directly due to covid... just about lost this last one too just for being who I am and sticking up for what I believe in. 

Stay safe out there friends. 

 

[Phil Lilley]

55 minutes ago, JestersHK said:

Hope you're feeling better Ryan, I try hard to avoid the politics talk, but a bunch of you who know me know my thoughts on the subject.   

I will say after working for Pfizer, Monsanto, Bayer, BJC, and now the financial sector of Mastercard I can tell you I have seen evil up close and personal, and it exists in the form of men and greed... Namely higher ups in the companies, then entire buildings full of lawyers and lobbyists that protect them, and the government which works hand in hand with them to push agendas.

Some days I'm ashamed of it,  that I sold a piece of my soul to provide for my family...

Some days I get a win after the fruits of my previous labors finally take down a bad guy.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/chinese-man-pleads-guilty-to-stealing-monsanto-trade-secret

End of the day we all must make choices.  I'm on job number 3 since leaving my previous career and trying to right my internal demons. Lost 2 new jobs directly due to covid... just about lost this last one too just for being who I am and sticking up for what I believe in. 

Stay safe out there friends. 

 

You're a good man, DJ.  Proud to call you a friend.