New non resident trout stamp

[tjm]

3 hours ago, Daryk Campbell Sr said:

I would reconsider taking my family due to that cost.   It's really not about who's committed.   My kids enjoy fishing,  but not enough to pay that much for a possible 1 day (5 hours) of fishing while on vacation.   We are a family of 5 so additional $200.00.  That's of course in addition to the cost of NR license for 5.  Then you consider the amount of times you have to try to convince the little ones this is supposed to be fun.  It can really make one change their mind.   Multiply that by the amount of people who are not "committed" and you can see where a business owner should be concerned.  Fishing should be affordable.   Camping should be affordable.   Outdoors in general should be affordable.   We are seeing one of the possible reasons kids dont go outside. 

Quote

Anyone age 15 and younger (resident or nonresident) may fish and hunt (except deer and turkey) without permit.

Kids don't need fishing license. They do need daily tags in Parks and I believe they  need Trout Permit on Taneycomo.

Anyone bringing a family interstate (definition of NR)  to a fishing destination  for vacation already  has $thousands invested in travel and accommodation prior to or whether they fish.  Cost to feed each kid every day at even cheap restaurants must be higher than the the cost of fishing permits for 365 days.   $100 today is nothing, it buys about what $8-12 used to buy.  A little wander around the internet indicates a USA vacation this yea will run about $700-$2000 per person this before they hire the $100/hour + tip trout guide.  I really can't see this new permit keeping anyone from traveling here that really wants to fish Taneycomo. Out of curiosity I looked up costs of NR licensing  in some other trout states;

Alaska $100 (+$100 K.Salmon)
Arkansas $60 + $20 trout = $80
California  $166.89
Colorado  $111.03
Idaho $108 + $10 access = $118
Michigan $76.00
Minnesota $51 + $10 = $61
Montana $100 + $7.50 cons. + $10 AISPP = $117.50
New Mexico $56 + $10 + $4 = $70
New York $50 
Oregon $110.50 + $66.00 steelhead = $176.50
Pennsylvania $60.97 + $14.97 = $75.94
Utah $120 
Washington $115.85 
Wisconsin $50 + $10 = $60
Wyoming $102 * $21.50 cons. = $123.50

Mo. $57 + $40 = $97 doesn't seem out of line by that much. 

 

 

[BilletHead]

6 hours ago, tjm said:

Kids don't need fishing license. They do need daily tags in Parks and I believe they  need Trout Permit on Taneycomo.

Anyone bringing a family interstate (definition of NR)  to a fishing destination  for vacation already  has $thousands invested in travel and accommodation prior to or whether they fish.  Cost to feed each kid every day at even cheap restaurants must be higher than the the cost of fishing permits for 365 days.   $100 today is nothing, it buys about what $8-12 used to buy.  A little wander around the internet indicates a USA vacation this yea will run about $700-$2000 per person this before they hire the $100/hour + tip trout guide.  I really can't see this new permit keeping anyone from traveling here that really wants to fish Taneycomo. Out of curiosity I looked up costs of NR licensing  in some other trout states;

Alaska $100 (+$100 K.Salmon)
Arkansas $60 + $20 trout = $80
California  $166.89
Colorado  $111.03
Idaho $108 + $10 access = $118
Michigan $76.00
Minnesota $51 + $10 = $61
Montana $100 + $7.50 cons. + $10 AISPP = $117.50
New Mexico $56 + $10 + $4 = $70
New York $50 
Oregon $110.50 + $66.00 steelhead = $176.50
Pennsylvania $60.97 + $14.97 = $75.94
Utah $120 
Washington $115.85 
Wisconsin $50 + $10 = $60
Wyoming $102 * $21.50 cons. = $123.50

Mo. $57 + $40 = $97 doesn't seem out of line by that much. 

 

 

               Glad our 7 day out of state license in Alaska was only 45 bucks. No stamp needed for sockeye.  Best 90 bucks we as a couple ever spent. Cheap entertainment.

[tjm]

Yeah it would be good for the tourists if Mo. had a week or ten day permit, back when our son lived in Fl and visited, he'd have to figure what was cheaper- several daily tags or one annual. Nearly always used at RRSP because of time constraints. Of course none of the states want to encourage "Fish Tourism" or they'd all have reduced fees rather than elevated fees. 

[BilletHead]

6 hours ago, tjm said:

Kids don't need fishing license. They do need daily tags in Parks and I believe they  need Trout Permit on Taneycomo.

Anyone bringing a family interstate (definition of NR)  to a fishing destination  for vacation already  has $thousands invested in travel and accommodation prior to or whether they fish.  Cost to feed each kid every day at even cheap restaurants must be higher than the the cost of fishing permits for 365 days.   $100 today is nothing, it buys about what $8-12 used to buy.  A little wander around the internet indicates a USA vacation this yea will run about $700-$2000 per person this before they hire the $100/hour + tip trout guide.  I really can't see this new permit keeping anyone from traveling here that really wants to fish Taneycomo. Out of curiosity I looked up costs of NR licensing  in some other trout states;

Alaska $100 (+$100 K.Salmon)
Arkansas $60 + $20 trout = $80
California  $166.89
Colorado  $111.03
Idaho $108 + $10 access = $118
Michigan $76.00
Minnesota $51 + $10 = $61
Montana $100 + $7.50 cons. + $10 AISPP = $117.50
New Mexico $56 + $10 + $4 = $70
New York $50 
Oregon $110.50 + $66.00 steelhead = $176.50
Pennsylvania $60.97 + $14.97 = $75.94
Utah $120 
Washington $115.85 
Wisconsin $50 + $10 = $60
Wyoming $102 * $21.50 cons. = $123.50

Mo. $57 + $40 = $97 doesn't seem out of line by that much. 

 

 

           In the grand scheme of things, you are right. Shoot in the O'Hare Chicago airport we split a two-cheeseburger meal with one extra drink. Those little cheeseburgers were tiny. Cost us 16.00. Like you said feeding a family is costly.  Still a bummer that the trout stamp took a jump. We are glad we did the lifetime at 60 years old. Trout stamp is included. Migratory state deal for Missouri was included also. The first year I bought the fed stamp after 60 the guy at Walmart tried to sell me the state migratory deal. Told him I did not need it. He called the local MDC office in Eldorado Springs. She told me I would be ticketed if I did not buy it. I told her I wasn't. She finally found out I was right. seen her another time. I Never got an I was wrong, and you were right. 

[tjm]

I never could get the lifetime things to pencil out for anyone over 15, unless they use every permit sold every year.  So far south as I am, we rarely see waterfowl except in flight. It takes a really cold winter to bring ducks to the creeks. I can't recall the last time. So, use of the migratory stuff is sporadic, but i still would have bought  the life permit just for convenience except that I still had to buy the trapping permit every year. Glad they worked out for you.

[Ham]

MDC Can absolutely Price some people out of fishing for trout. In Missouri. I’m not wild about it. I’ll likely get one, but if it’s $15 or something, I’d buy one every year just in case I make a trip. At $40, if I buy one at all, it would be a morning of the trip deal and it does push against me fishing for trout in MO. 

[tjm]

Yeah, I understand that @Ham 

A long time ago I was keeping an Ar, license with trout all the time at around $25 total and fished the Beaver tailwater several times each year, along with many small streams in Benton county. Then one year  Ar bumped the NR with trout price up to about $50  and I said "I'll not buy a license until we camp down there" and soon enough 15-20 years passed without me buying an Ar license, by that time it was up to $80. During those years I drove a lot more miles to fish in Mo. than I would have to have fished near my work in Ar. But by golly I showed the AGFC. 

[Ryan Miloshewski]

It's the trend in the hunting world, punishing out of staters. Arkansas is the worst about it. Seems it's bleeding into the fishing world. $40 for a trout stamp is ridiculous. $20 would have been a good bump. Surely they can reallocate our taxes to cover the hatchery issues instead.

[Johnsfolly]

13 hours ago, BilletHead said:

We are glad we did the lifetime at 60 years old. Trout stamp is included. Migratory state deal for Missouri was included also.

I should have bought a lifetime MO license before we moved to MD. I used to get an annual NR fishing and small game license whenver the kids were still in MO. I've thought about doing a spring turkey hunt again with Livie on my friend's farm where she shot her first gobbler, but not likely to spend almost $600 to do it 😒

[tjm]

I was told once, but never followed up to  be sure, that the Mo. resident lifetime permits weren't valid if you moved out of state. Now I wonder if residency is required or if it really means lifetime.