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Monopolies are not good for anyone...JM has done great things, but I remember the diversity of products back in the day, that has changed.....competition drives innovation, mom-n-pops get swallowed up...just something about the old Tackle shop, smells the people..the stories...we have lost that....and with that the magic of fishing and the outdoors..pehaps thats why the new generation seeks other things

with giant corporations comes anonymity and with that less to hold someone accountable....

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The good thing about opinions is that everyone is entitled to their own. My opinion is that I will take advantage of the best deal on the products I want. But that is just me.

Mike

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After reading thru these posts, im hoping i didnt come across when starting this thread that i was the jealous type.  My mind dosnt think that way. Im happy with and for anyone that can make it in this world we live in. For me, riches as in financial mean very little. I have or have had material items that helped myself or my family to make memories, but my real, true happiness comes from seeing one of my children smile or laugh from something i have taught them, or that they have learned themslves.  Johnny has done an outstanding job of building a business any of us would be proud to own.  I have a few friends that work for his monopoly, and its just a job to them, like most of us have. Im sure they would like more money, better insurance, better days off, etc.  but its just a job.  Johnny probably has very little to do with these businesses after purchase. He pay guy/gals big money to look after them.   I know if i had what he has, i wouldnt have time to worry about business, as fishing and hunting would be keeping myself and my family plenty busy.  

 

 

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The only thing I might have against Mr.Morris is that he now has the capability to stick it to the crookedest, most rotten corporation in the fishing/boating industry, and vastly help out a way WAY better one,  but I don't think he's going to do it.    That indicates to me that even though he is perfectly well off and knows he has the opportunity to right a considerable wrong in the world...he won't even consider doing it because he'll make just a little bit more... by maintaining the status quo.   

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i do not believe in the taking advavtage of the consumer. And I do nt believe in the consumer taking advantage of the bussiness. I know thats hw it has always been, but it des nt make it right.

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Brunswick (Mercury Marine).   They force themselves onto the back of almost every new boat with sketchy components, then rape and pillage for years until the unit is finally scrapped out, again by force (NLA parts).  Consumers don't realize this, all they know is that Merc's are fast and they are everywhere, so they assume they are #1, which technically they are, but not for the reasons they think.  It all started just a few years after Kiekhaefer sold out.  Their true loyal focus is on stern drive, the outboard division is like a separate side job with some incredibly shrewd and rotten ethics and management.  If you spent a few years in the industry you'd quickly notice the difference in how they operate the stern drive division vs. the outboard division.  Guarantee you one thing...an automotive company in this country could NEVER get away with it. They only get away with it because outboard application Marine products are considered 100% recreational, even though the WP, Coast Guard, Military, and many other state and federal agencies rely on outboard motors daily.

There are no "commercial" versions of Mercury outboards like there always has been with Johnson/Evinrude. 

When you hear people talk about products "designed to fail" most of us assume that is a conspiracy theory that truly has no merit, but at the Brunswick outboard division I'd wager that more research goes into insuring that a component will indeed fail post warranty, than goes into insuring that component will last as long as possible.  

It's a tough one for me because I benefit from this in a pretty big way, but here's the deal.... Sending someone out over water with an engine that I myself do not trust unless I really stick it to their bank account bothers me.  A dead engine at the wrong time can put a person in a really bad/dangerous position.   Voltage regulators that cost 400-700.00 and routinely CATCH ON FIRE just because battery voltage gets a little low is a perfect example. Are you telling me that they can't prevent that from happening?    A motor on fire in the middle of a large lake is a scary thing!  

"It's not their fault though... it's YOURS for having a slightly substandard battery".  Gimme a freakin break.

Plastic oil pump drive gears?  Really?  Inside an internal combustion engine?   Yeah that's something you'd expect to last awhile.   "Oh it failed? Hmmm, must be because the engine got a little overheated....NOT OUR FAULT, you mistreated the engine".    

I benefit from this but at the same time It makes me sick.  I just don't like it.   Do you think John Deere or Caterpillar would still be around if they did crap like that?   Hell no!

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Old plug, I don't believe anyone supports the philosophy of taking advantage of the consumer.  If you are suggesting Johnny Morris with bass pro does based on his retail. Your simply wrong!  His prices match, or are lower than many of his competitors. Now to rebuttle wether or not a business should take advantage of other businesses. Again if you are referencing Johnny Morris, I do believe the businesses in which he has purchased over the years have not been taken by hostile situations. (Agreed upon by others members of this site who have stated the same thing) In fact I would suspect there were negotiations by both companies who agreed to settle on an offer. Doesn't sound like taking advantage of someone to me. I would put money on it, if you had what he has rest assured, you would continue to invest just as he does. Everyone in this country has been provided the opportunity to create a life as successful as he or she desires thanks to our service men and women.  (If you were one, I thank you for your service) but they have to be willing to take the risks he has, and you can bet he has taken some huge risks throughout his endeavors.  He didn't start out a billionaire he has done hard work getting where he is today. But let's just teach our kids to work hard,Be successful  (to whatever capacity you are willing to go) so someone like you can cut them down,tell them how evil they for being driven to succeed. Oh, and let's not forget the donations and contributions he has made over the years to many charities, organizations and communities. Millions I'm sure. I wish he could read this. I'd tell him to, "Keep up the good work Johnny Morris!" Despite what the "nay sayers" are saying. 

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4 hours ago, Old plug said:

i do not believe in the taking advavtage of the consumer. And I do nt believe in the consumer taking advantage of the bussiness. I know thats hw it has always been, but it des nt make it right.

What about patent protected products?  You should get paid for your innovation don't you think 

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Here's 2 from separate engines just in the past week.   See anything similar about where the problem might be happening?IMG_20170820_150701924.jpg

This has been going on since 1994 with this component.  

Here's all the supercedes...where they've made changes just to make sure more of them made it past the warranty period. Screenshot_20170820-151534.png

Then down at the bottom here you have the most current version (which by the way is the same ones in the pic at the top of this post) Screenshot_20170820-151620.png

BTW, there has never been a recall, or even a service bulletin.

Am I really supposed to believe that after all this time they just can't get it right?  Or am I safe in assuming that this is 100% intended?   

Add a little fuel vapor under that cowling and she's gonna go up in big flames.  Do they really not care ?    No not really, because they can blame it on you and your "bad battery" or "loose/dirty battery connection" and their posterior is covered. 

 

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