Lake Level Record Potential

[crazy4fishin]

54 minutes ago, dtrs5kprs said:

Thanks. Don't think we have a quick link for Grand anywhere on the forum.

Dave - that Champ must be a social media butter fly....going from forum to forum informing all of the way  

C4F

[Ben Gillispie]

5 hours ago, dtrs5kprs said:

See it was posted today, but is it a pic of the current flood, or 2011? Looks like there are an awful lot of bright green leaves in the pic.

THE LEAVES ARE GREEN!

[gitnby]

 

[Hunter53]

Drone video of Branson........

http://m.ky3.com/news/drone-video-high-above-the-flooding-at-the-branson-landing/21050474_37163996

[Pepe]

8 hours ago, merc1997 said:

the coe certainly does not have flood control first on its mind any longer.  it is power generation.  if flood control was first, they would automatically draw the lakes down to lower elevations going into winter, just as they used to when they did make flood control first priority.

table rock always used to be near 907 or lower by summers end, and by the start of winter 905 or less.  bull shoals was drawn down  15 ti 20 feet below pool.  that way there was room to put water such as we just received.  until flood control again is the first priority of the coe, we will have flooded lakes every year.

just my opinion and observations since i moved here in 1963.

 

bo

I have spent a good deal of my career working with the Corp as an industrial rehabilitation contractor working on dams including the Table Rock Tainter Gate rehab project well over a decade ago. As Phil said, the hoist motors are super expensive. 

The primary mission of the USACE related to dams is NAVIGATION, not flooding and certainly not power generation.  The mission is defined by Congress and maintaining navigable waterways for national defense & economic purposes is top priority.  Preventing disasters that endangers people (Voters) is next priority.   Beyond that, the priorities may differ based on what they have agreed and contracted to do in that district.

Remember the whole organization is part of the US Army and is run by Army Officers. All of us veterans are familiar with the right way, the wrong way and the Military way. 

Federal Environmental Regulation, Endangered or Threatened Species Acts, Wetland and Migratory Bird Habitat Preservation agreements, Agricultural & Industrial water contracts, etc, can all play into the water-flow equation.  

For example, in Kansas a certain volume of water is required on Redmond Reservoir as emergency coolant for the local nuclear power plant. On top of that, the State has contracted with the Corp and pays them to maintain extra water for use by agricultural industries.  

Based on their mission parameters, the needs of the Mississippi River barge traffic and navigable portions of the White River will far outweigh what all of us want.  Each district has Hydrology Engineers and some pretty sophisticated predictive software, so they aren't really guessing.  

We just aren't important.  

[cbass12]

3 hours ago, Pepe said:

For example, in Kansas a certain volume of water is required on Redmond Reservoir as emergency coolant for the local nuclear power plant. On top of that, the State has contracted with the Corp and pays them to maintain extra water for use by agricultural industries.    

I suppose this would explain them raising conservation pool by 3 feet and the dredging that they have planned.

[snagged in outlet 3]

15 hours ago, merc1997 said:

the coe certainly does not have flood control first on its mind any longer.  it is power generation.  if flood control was first, they would automatically draw the lakes down to lower elevations going into winter, just as they used to when they did make flood control first priority.

table rock always used to be near 907 or lower by summers end, and by the start of winter 905 or less.  bull shoals was drawn down  15 ti 20 feet below pool.  that way there was room to put water such as we just received.  until flood control again is the first priority of the coe, we will have flooded lakes every year.

just my opinion and observations since i moved here in 1963.

 

bo

AMEN!!!

[abkeenan]

6 hours ago, Pepe said:

I have spent a good deal of my career working with the Corp as an industrial rehabilitation contractor working on dams including the Table Rock Tainter Gate rehab project well over a decade ago. As Phil said, the hoist motors are super expensive. 

The primary mission of the USACE related to dams is NAVIGATION, not flooding and certainly not power generation.  The mission is defined by Congress and maintaining navigable waterways for national defense & economic purposes is top priority.  Preventing disasters that endangers people (Voters) is next priority.   Beyond that, the priorities may differ based on what they have agreed and contracted to do in that district.

Remember the whole organization is part of the US Army and is run by Army Officers. All of us veterans are familiar with the right way, the wrong way and the Military way. 

Federal Environmental Regulation, Endangered or Threatened Species Acts, Wetland and Migratory Bird Habitat Preservation agreements, Agricultural & Industrial water contracts, etc, can all play into the water-flow equation.  

For example, in Kansas a certain volume of water is required on Redmond Reservoir as emergency coolant for the local nuclear power plant. On top of that, the State has contracted with the Corp and pays them to maintain extra water for use by agricultural industries.  

Based on their mission parameters, the needs of the Mississippi River barge traffic and navigable portions of the White River will far outweigh what all of us want.  Each district has Hydrology Engineers and some pretty sophisticated predictive software, so they aren't really guessing.  

We just aren't important.  

Thanks for chiming in and giving us a different perspective than the average Joe has.

[Smalls21]

15 hours ago, Phil Lilley said:

Seriously doubt it. 

I do know that Branson BPS was moving all their boats somewhere

[MOPanfisher]

Sorry Pepe but you are incorrect.  Some COE dams have navigation as one of their authorized purposes but at TR if it is even a purpose it is very far down the list.  Flood control and hydropower are at the top.  Generally for non full flow dams that have hydropower capability navigation is often removed as a purpose so that the water is not wasted so to speak it is turned into electricity instead.  As I have said many times flood control is number 1 priority but still has to be balanced again hydropower needs.  I'd strictly flood control the lake would be drawn down to 875 or so to provide additional flood storage.