Table Rock Buoy Removal and Massive Boat Wakes

[Browning Guy]

The Water Patrol and Corps have decided to remove all buoys from the lake with the exception of those outside of marinas (go figure).  I contacted the Missouri Water Patrol Division at 573-751-5071 and asked to have the names of those on Table Rock who have no wake buoys.  She asked that I send a request to her e-mail address, Sydney.Kendrick@MSHP.DPS.MO.Gov to request the information. Ms. Kendrick stated she would have to check with Captain Matt Walz to see how they could release the information. I thought those of you who have buoys would want to know and hopefully get involved in forcing the Water Patrol to reconsider buoy removal.

I encourage and ask anyone and everyone to contact the Water Patrol to express their concerns of what is happening to Table Rock with the massive waves caused by the Wake Board Boats, Ocean going/Great Lakes boats on TR.  The destruction of the shoreline, danger imposed by the large wakes and destruction of docks should be enough for the Water Patrol and Corps of Engineers to begin consideration of limitation of size and speed of such large vessels and vessels intended for producing large wakes. 

Because of Representative Billy Long and Senator Roy Blunts' involvement, the proposed Shoreline Management Plan now provides many new docks to be added from 1 slip to 20 slips.  This will cause even more dangerous situations by brining in more and more massive boats along with damage to both private property and to the shoreline (environment).  Please contact the Missouri Water Patrol and the Corps of Engineers to express your concern or better yet attend one of the meetings regarding the proposed Shoreline Management plan next Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday.  Go to https://go.usa.gov/xN92C  AS SOON AS POSSIBLE for more information on how to express your concerns.  Turning Table Rock into another Lake of the Ozarks would be shameful. 

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Done.  I hope it helps.

[Matt Henry]

I also think it's funny the Dam was built for watershed management and to create electricity.  Maybe the corps should shut down the dam for the production of energy if they want solar only in 10 years on docks.  

The corps want to keep manpower to further a political agenda.

[vernon]

12 hours ago, Matt Henry said:

I also think it's funny the Dam was built for watershed management and to create electricity.  Maybe the corps should shut down the dam for the production of energy if they want solar only in 10 years on docks.  

The corps want to keep manpower to further a political agenda.

Like what?

[Champ188]

What possible political agenda could the Corps have? They are essentially a sub-branch of the military.

[strout1]

I agree. If we learn nothing else from the Lake of the Ozarks, we need to limit the type and size of boats using Table Rock. We must assume over time that the number of boats will increase as people seek a great lake near great entertainment. In the few years I have lived down here, the increase in wake boats and size of boats has resulted in waves that are damaging our dock, lifts and boats. Also, try trolling or still fishing around these craft! I also cannot understand why wake buoys should be removed. They are one of the few benign ways of reminding inconsiderate boaters to slow down as they enter busy coves (for both safety and to prevent property damage).  If anything, I would like to see the Water Patrol enforce no wake areas routinely. I hope a lot of people show up at the meetings next week (Chateau on July 31 @ 4-7 pm and others) and make their voices heard.

[tapout]

 

The difference NOW between LOZ and TR isn't that much.

Neither the Water Patrol nor the Corp of Engineer have the ability to create legislation to limit the size and type of vessel on a lake. These government organizations have to operate within the framework of the laws and regulations laid out for them. They might have very minor interpretations of laws that have to be sorted out at the court level, but they cannot create new laws.

Elected officials are the ones you have to be speaking with. Legislators are the only ones with the ability to create law. (well in theory, although lately the supreme court seems to also be making laws)

And just my opinion but these boats are already here, and these people that own them have rights too (and likely more finances). So assuming you get legislation in place to limit size and type of vessels, the ones already here will likely be grandfathered so it will never get any better. And heaven forbid the Environmental Protection Agency get asked to help. We will all be regulated to paddle craft, hemp fishing line, and using rocks for weights.

I'm not an anarchist, I do believe laws help make a civilized society; but, I'm not sure I believe taking away others freedoms is the direction I want to go.

I'll choose more freedom for all and adjust my way of life as opposed to trying to create more laws that rarely help and always wind up with loop holes for those that can afford it. But that's just me, at least for now, you are free to disagree and I encourage you to do what you believe is right.

I'm not sure why I just wrote this. I know I'm gonna get blasted for not hating on cruisers and wake surf boats..... I changed my mind. Who do I call?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[176champion]

They have the right to be on the water as anyone else...but where the problems lies is RESPECT and that is what's lacking..most of them don't respect other peoples property or well being. People on here talk about boats running between them and the bank while fishing, i have had bigger boats pulling tubers come close to me while fishing and then spin donuts in the area, when i had moved from one fishing spot to another to get away from them..this to me is showing no respect from them for me or anyone else...If i'm running and see someone fishing or tubing i try to go as far around them as i can to not disrupt them...another thing is most of them don't follow the laws of the water either i have been cut of many times...again as i said RESPECT is what is lacking.

[Browning Guy]

The Corp of Engineers has put together an updated "Shoreline Management Plan - 2017" and it is up for public discussion at 3 meetings next week Monday, July 31 - Chateau on the Lake 4:00-7:00, Tuesday, August 1, United Methodist Church, Shell Knob 4:00-7:00 and Wednesday, August 2, Reeds Spring High School, 4:00-7:00 .  You can also write to Corps as "comments are also being accepted on the 2017 Table Rock Lake Master Plan during this public review and comment period.  Comments must be submitted by August 30, 2017. Speak now or forever hold your peace.  The Corps is allowing us to speak our minds (respectfully) and to hear our concerns.  It starts there.

IF you have read this plan https://go.usa.gov/xN92C as provided in the start of this link, you would realize that it is the Corp of Engineers who state (in the very first sentence of the document) under Purpose:  The Shoreline Management Plan for Table Rock Lake establishes policy and furnishes guidelines for protection and preservation of desirable environmental characteristics of the shoreline". 

The second paragraph under Policy states (again first sentence): "It is the policy of the Chief of Engineers to protect and manage shorelines of all Civil Works water resource development projects under Corps jurisdiction in a manner which will promote the safe and healthful use of these shorelines by the public while maintaining environmental safeguards to ensure a quality resource for use by the public"

Is having a 35'-55' cabin cruiser on Table Rock helping or hurting the shoreline?  Does having a 35'-55' cabin cruiser on Table Rock "promote the safe and healthful use of these shorelines by the public while maintaining environmental safeguards to ensure a quality resource for use by the public?" 

To me, the proposed update of the "Shoreline Management Plan - 2017" provides the Corp of Engineers the opportunity to stop or change what will be the future of Table Rock lake and prevent it from becoming another Lake of the Ozarks (not a Corp of Engineers controlled lake). The quality of water has changed INCREDIBLY in the 42 years I have spent time on the lake.  I can no longer go out from 10:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. to fish without being extremely worried about hitting a massive wave wrong.  I unexpectedly speared (in a Ranger 522VX) one two weeks ago and scared my 7 year old to death.  The shoreline is being destroyed as dirt and vegetation is being washed away by the massive wakes. Our dock is being destroyed by massive wakes.  From 10:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. we cannot be on our dock because it's nearly impossible to walk on it because of massive wakes from Great Lakes and Gulf Shore ocean boats.  Read the proposed "Shoreline Management Plan - 2017" fully and explain how the Corp of Engineers doesn't control what happens to TR.  The Corps is asking for input from the public.  

[Browning Guy]

3 hours ago, tapout said:

 

The difference NOW between LOZ and TR isn't that much.

Neither the Water Patrol nor the Corp of Engineer have the ability to create legislation to limit the size and type of vessel on a lake. These government organizations have to operate within the framework of the laws and regulations laid out for them.

There is huge difference between LOZ and TR.  LOZ is not controlled by the Corps of Engineers.  Table Rock is controlled by the Corps of Engineers.  Please read the proposed "Shoreline Management Plan - 2017".  The Corps of Engineers is asking for the publics input!  IF the "size and type of vessel on a lake" is causing significant impact to the shoreline, docks and boating safety I believe they (Water Patrol & Corps ) have the ability AND obligation to "limit the size and type of vessel on a lake" or control their speeds, etc when it becomes a safety issue for others.   I know sitting back and saying nothing at the Corps held public meetings or writing them before August 31, 2017 is to do nothing. 

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