CWD and the MDC

[ollie]

I have been roughly following this for awhile now and have wondered what the outcome will be.  I personally can't stand canned hunts so you know my mind is made up already.

http://www.ozarksfirst.com/news/deer-hunting-businesses-conservation-department-do-battle-in-missouri-supreme-court/919700334

[fshndoug]

These game farms are going to be the death of deer hunting in Mo.CWD will continue to spread while a few people will reap huge rewards at the expense of all present ant future Mo. deer hunters.If no one came to hunt on these operations there would be no need for any of this.

[MOPanfisher]

I am impacted by the CWD findings.  My house is within 2 miles of one of the latest positive tests.  I have signed up for the winter culling as they are calling it to be allowed to shoot an unlimited number of deer in Feb and March, still awaiting he packet in the mail.  The basic plan is to reduce the number of deer in those core areas to reduce the chance of CWD spreading.  However since the prions essentially are almost indestructible I don't see any other plan but to keep he population suppressed for the forseable future, which sucks for deer hunting around my place.

[tjm]

Everybody is impacted by CWD, just not everyone is aware of the impact. Probably too late to even contain CWD, might slow the spread by "culling", but the contaminated ground seems to never get better and now they know the prions are taken up in plants and spread that way as well as by contact. Will they find prions are also taken up and spread by scavengers of infected animals?  No doubt it originated in penned deer and has been introduced all across the USA by transporting captive cervids and probably by feeding ground antler to promote antler growth.  Only hope of containment that I can see is immediate closure of all cervid pens and extermination of all deer within a large buffer zone and maintaining that deer free zone for the foreseeable future, ain't gonna happen and anything less just a "we tried gesture". So far, no CWD jump to humans that we know of.

Do penned deer differ from wild deer enough that they can be distinguished as "livestock"?  I think that if they did there would be no demand for them. The deer pen folks say "they are live stock" when seeking exemption from game regulation, but say "they are wild trophy deer" when selling hunts.

Be interesting to see what the high court says.  My guess is the "farmers"  will eventually win, they can bring big money to the argument.

[fishinwrench]

"The Department of Conservation has projected that its chronic wasting disease-management expenditures for fiscal year 2017 will reach $1.7 million."

I don't see this as a necessity, I see this as nothing more than a way to spend money.   If it wasn't CWD then they'd create some other BS reason, a rare hummingbird virus or something else equally stupid.  

[tjm]

Probably nothing exists  as stupid as deer management, period. Car killing vermin. A hummingbird never totaled out a car, takes far greater skill to feed your family on archery killed hummingbirds too.

[fishinwrench]

For most (real close to ALL) it has nothing to do with "food".  By the time they are done buying permits, special clothing, scent removers, guns, scopes, ammo, range finders, tree stands, gasoline, land leasing, and then comes the craziest (to me) expense....they pay somebody else to process and package the meat...... Hell they could feed their family quality restaurant food all year long for a fraction of what they spent to kill a stupid deer.

Old country boys like Oneshot are about the only ones that benefit any at all from a deer hunt.  The rest of ya are just stimulating the economy.

[BilletHead]

12 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

For most (real close to ALL) it has nothing to do with "food".  By the time they are done buying permits, special clothing, scent removers, guns, scopes, ammo, range finders, tree stands, gasoline, land leasing, and then comes the craziest (to me) expense....they pay somebody else to process and package the meat...... Hell they could feed their family quality restaurant food all year long for a fraction of what they spent to kill a stupid deer.

Old country boys like Oneshot are about the only ones that benefit any at all from a deer hunt.  The rest of ya are just stimulating the economy.

       Says the guy with a red rider bb oh I mean pellet rifle he is shooting dinosaurs with! Do you have the appropriate brontosaurs , t rex , stegosaurs, triceratops, and if shooting flying reptiles a state migratory and federal migratory stamp?  No on feeding the family for what I spend deer hunting. We do it on the cheap. 

BilletHead

[lee G.]

I think Wrench knows you are one of the old country boys,BH

[snagged in outlet 3]

56 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

For most (real close to ALL) it has nothing to do with "food".  By the time they are done buying permits, special clothing, scent removers, guns, scopes, ammo, range finders, tree stands, gasoline, land leasing, and then comes the craziest (to me) expense....they pay somebody else to process and package the meat...... Hell they could feed their family quality restaurant food all year long for a fraction of what they spent to kill a stupid deer.

Old country boys like Oneshot are about the only ones that benefit any at all from a deer hunt.  The rest of ya are just stimulating the economy.

Don't forget about prepping and planting food plots, who knows how much that cost.  One stinking road goat ends up about $10k.