tjm Posted May 28, 2018 Posted May 28, 2018 Yeppers and the 30-06 too. and the 30-40 Krag and the blunderbuss, they were all military developments, the rifle in any form was developed for the military..There were never many if any AR15s in the military.
Gatorjet Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 Before the M16, a modification of the Armalite Rifle patent 15 designed for the Armalite Corporation by Eugene Stoner the US military used the M14. A modification it's self of the M1 Garand of WWII. The M1 being another of those "military" rifles that according to you should been kept in it's "proper" place in the military. Except that the M1 has been used in civilian target competition for many decades. Only to be replaced by the M1a which is a semi-auto variant of the M14. Much like the AR 15 is the semi automatic version of the M16, or current issue M4. Both of these civilian versions of military rifles operate no different than the long time deer favorite of many hunters, the Remington 742, and it's various incarnations over the years. Same for Browning's BAR hunting rifle. Pull the trigger, one round is fired, the spent case ejected, fresh round loaded, and sear set waiting for the next trigger pull to fire another round. A system dating back to the early 20th century, over 100 years old. The "furniture" on a rifle does not change the way it operates, only it's appearance. mikeak 1 Real men go propless!
Gatorjet Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 A bit of informed reading of you have a mind to know the truth. https://www.nssf.org/msr/ Real men go propless!
fishinwrench Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 Not worth arguing over, but neither the 742 semi-auto nor the BAR will fire 30 rounds in 35 seconds without suffering a malfunction due to overheat. Even if they did have the magazine capacity. The M-16, AR-15, HK91 are designed specifically for that task (internally). The material, head space, chamber deminsions, and bolt tolerance are what make it unique as a "weapon". Tighten things up and it would shoot even better (but not for 20-30 shots at a time, and definatly not once it got dirty and grimey). It's not all about the furniture. SWAT teams and defense groups aren't enjoying them because they dig the furniture.
fshndoug Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 this topic is like religious beliefs each to his own arguments.I own several guns and love to deer hunt,never saw the need for large clips of ammo to get the job done at hand.One shot one kill.Got to agree with Wrench on this one.How about we just stop talking about these sob"s that are doing all these shootings,when there is no coverage I bet there will be a lot fewer of them.
Flysmallie Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 I refuse to let politics decide where I shop. Hell at this point I refuse to let politics decide anything in my life. crazy4fishin, Seth, Daryk Campbell Sr and 2 others 5
Seth Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Flysmallie said: I refuse to let politics decide where I shop. Hell at this point I refuse to let politics decide anything in my life. Ditto! Only reason I won't shop somewhere is they have wronged me in some shopping related way. Otherwise, I could care less if you're conservative, liberal, straight, gay, gender fluid, etc as long as you have what I need and for a decent price. crazy4fishin, Flysmallie and snagged in outlet 3 3
BilletHead Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 Do what you like and like what you do but please don't push your political agenda on me or tell me what I do or do not need . The biggest problem in life is the direction society is going. BilletHead tjm, Seth and Daryk Campbell Sr 3 "We have met the enemy and it is us", Pogo If you compete with your fellow anglers, you become their competitor, If you help them you become their friend" Lefty Kreh " Never display your knowledge, you only share it" Lefty Kreh "Eat more bass and there will be more room for walleye to grow!" BilletHead " One thing in life is for sure. If you are careful you can straddle the barbed wire fence but make one mistake and you will be hurting" BilletHead P.S. "May your fences be short or hope you have long legs" BilletHead
tjm Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 I am always astonished at the people that say " I own guns, but I want to take your guns away". fwiw, the arms mentioned in that worthless paper called a Constitution were all military weapons. No other qualification than they be capable of military use; by a strict interpretation "sporting" arms might be regulated or prohibited. Does that powerbait work good on goggle-eye? Ever use it for bullhead or channel cat?
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