BilletHead Posted July 12, 2018 Posted July 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Johnsfolly said: The last two to three pages are far more entertaining than pages 2 through 13 ! Would much rather talk about you deck than "..mother stabbers and father rapers. Father rapers sitting there on the group W bench!..." "You can get anything that you want........" BilletHead Johnsfolly and Daryk Campbell Sr 2 "We have met the enemy and it is us", Pogo If you compete with your fellow anglers, you become their competitor, If you help them you become their friend" Lefty Kreh " Never display your knowledge, you only share it" Lefty Kreh "Eat more bass and there will be more room for walleye to grow!" BilletHead " One thing in life is for sure. If you are careful you can straddle the barbed wire fence but make one mistake and you will be hurting" BilletHead P.S. "May your fences be short or hope you have long legs" BilletHead
Johnsfolly Posted July 12, 2018 Posted July 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, BilletHead said: "You can get anything that you want........" "...Except for Alice!" Remember Alice? It's a song about Alice." Daryk Campbell Sr 1
bfishn Posted July 12, 2018 Posted July 12, 2018 But he hasn't yet broke out the twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining the circumstances of 'the BFer did this' and 'the stabber did that'. ...or at least I assume he hasn't... I only see what you guys quote. Must be on quite a roll to have lasted 17 pages. Johnsfolly, BilletHead and Daryk Campbell Sr 2 1 I can't dance like I used to.
BilletHead Posted July 12, 2018 Posted July 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, Johnsfolly said: "...Except for Alice!" Remember Alice? It's a song about Alice." I am more worried about Opie the cop. BilletHead Daryk Campbell Sr 1 "We have met the enemy and it is us", Pogo If you compete with your fellow anglers, you become their competitor, If you help them you become their friend" Lefty Kreh " Never display your knowledge, you only share it" Lefty Kreh "Eat more bass and there will be more room for walleye to grow!" BilletHead " One thing in life is for sure. If you are careful you can straddle the barbed wire fence but make one mistake and you will be hurting" BilletHead P.S. "May your fences be short or hope you have long legs" BilletHead
BilletHead Posted July 12, 2018 Posted July 12, 2018 1 minute ago, bfishn said: But he hasn't yet broke out the twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining the circumstances of 'the BFer did this' and 'the stabber did that'. ...or at least I assume he hasn't... I only see what you guys quote. Must be on quite a roll to have lasted 17 pages. You are smarter than most because you blocked out most of the carp I mean crap. , BilletHead Deadstream 1 "We have met the enemy and it is us", Pogo If you compete with your fellow anglers, you become their competitor, If you help them you become their friend" Lefty Kreh " Never display your knowledge, you only share it" Lefty Kreh "Eat more bass and there will be more room for walleye to grow!" BilletHead " One thing in life is for sure. If you are careful you can straddle the barbed wire fence but make one mistake and you will be hurting" BilletHead P.S. "May your fences be short or hope you have long legs" BilletHead
Krazo Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 wow! this is too much drama for me. nice fish huntingducks117. be selective, shoot big ones, shoot small ones, stab em, keep em, release em. do whatever you want long as its within the regs. no pics of big ones here. its usually straight to the stringer for those, no messing with the camera. Huntingducks117 1
fishinwrench Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Krazo said: wow! this is too much drama for me. In my 50-some years, everyone that I've heard say that phrase has always been the first one with their nose in the middle of things. They seldom miss a detail, and if they do they'll make something up to fill in the gaps. Just admit it, you're drawn to it like flys to a butter dish. 😄
Al Agnew Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 Well, this has been an entertaining thread! Just a few thoughts...and believe it or not, not piling on MoCarp: I think the problem some of us have with spearfishing, and what some of you may be misunderstanding, is the same as the problem we have with illegal gigging. It has the potential of selectively taking the bigger fish out of the population. MDC says, and all of us agree, that gigging doesn't affect overall gamefish populations. The AR people surely think the same thing about spearfishing. But what it can do is affect the already far, far smaller population of trophy fish. I'll be the first to admit I don't know how difficult it is to spearfish. I don't know how easy it is to find the big fish to spear them, and how easy it is to approach them close enough to do so. So I will have to assume it's not easy. But the difference between it and rod and reel angling is that the rod and reel angler has NO way of specifically targeting the bigger fish in the population, other than fishing where big fish supposedly live, or sight fishing bass off beds. For the most part, they can't go along, see a big bass or walleye, and catch it. Even on the rare occasions when they could see it, they couldn't MAKE the fish bite. But the spearfisherman could theoretically swim along until the see a big bass, skipping the smaller ones in between, and shoot it. In part, this is a bit of jealousy on the part of the rod and reel angler. The spearfisherman is killing the big fish that he wants to have the chance at catching. But consider this...there aren't many spearfishermen, and they obviously don't kill huge numbers of big fish. But there aren't huge numbers of big fish to be killed. If 1% of the population of legal walleye is over 8 pounds, that's a small pool of big ones to begin with. Every one of them taken out has a far greater impact on their numbers than a few barely legal ones taken out of the far greater population of legal walleye. It's NOT a matter of taking them out of the gene pool. A big fish has already passed along its genes multiple times. It's a matter of taking them out of the tiny pool of trophy size fish. Maybe, that pool would be a bit larger if they weren't taken out, whether it be by spearfishermen or by rod and reel anglers. Which brings me to one of my pet peeves...I don't know enough about the walleye in the White River lakes to know their genetics, but the native river strain walleye that were originally in these waters had exceptional genes for growing big. Probably the stocking of these lakes has been indiscriminate enough to dilute that gene pool. But IF there is still enough of the native strain genetics in the walleye population, these fish may be being managed all wrong. I KNOW the native river strain walleye in the Black, Current, Eleven Point, and Spring rivers have superior genetics, and in my opinion they are being managed for the wrong goals. These fish have the potential to grow to world record sizes. You can't say that about very many game fish in the Ozarks. Smallmouth or largemouth...no way you'll ever see a 20 pound largemouth or a 10 pound smallmouth in the Ozarks. But there IS the potential to see 20 pound or better walleye, IF they were allowed to grow to that size. But harvest is the default position of nearly all walleye anglers because they are allegedly so good to eat (personally I find them slightly inferior to bluegill, crappie, and small bass). And there are enough decent walleye anglers to catch nearly all of them before they can grow to trophy size. It would take a change in the mentality of walleye anglers as much as regulations to change this, but I'd really love to see a slot limit imposed on walleye with 30 inches being the over, along with that change in angler attitudes that would make catch and release of walleye as prevalent as it is with bass. MoCarp and JestersHK 1 1
Flysmallie Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 Not disagreeing with what you said Al. But what some are misunderstanding is that if you want the laws changed then you need to do something more than act like an asshat on a forum. Attacking other members that are only trying to share their LEGAL accomplishments because you don't agree is wrong. If you want to drive change you have to do more than that. And I don't have the proof to back it up but I would be willing to bet money that sight fishing causes more damage than spearfishing ever will. Yeah I still have to get that fish to bite but if you practice you would be amazed at how easy that is sometimes. tjm and BilletHead 2
fishinwrench Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 Al makes excellent points. The only one I'd like to add is that there's no C&R when gigging or bow/spear fishing. If it's food you're after then you can't deny that the bigger fish are not what taste best.....yet all bow/spear/gig fishermen NEVER pass up a large fish. I would eat bass from LO if it was legal to keep 12-13 inchers, but I have no desire at all to fillet 2-6 pounders. I'd rather just eat a hamburger. MoCarp and Daryk Campbell Sr 2
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