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[slowbait]

I figured you were anti tourney fishinwrench by your posts but I'm glad you have done some and that shows you know what your talking about. But when it comes to cheating, it comes in all forms of life no matter what it is. You have people who steal, rob, and lie everywhere. It's gonna happen.  It happened a while back in the BASS.  So now can someone tell me more about measuring style of scoring, how does the tail lay, pinched or wide open, and so on. 

[fishinwrench]

16 minutes ago, slowbait said:

I figured you were anti tourney fishinwrench by your posts but I'm glad you have done some and that shows you know what your talking about.

I have tried to be as clear as I can.  I absolutely LOVE competitive fishing, but I am seeing and realizing the results of it when it is done excessively.  It's not cool and some changes need to be made.  Either WAY less tournaments, or the scoring procedure needs to be altered so that less (preferably none) fish are removed from their home range area.

It would be better if guys kept and ate them, because possession limits would control how many fish get removed from any area.   The average tournament angler removes WAY more fish on a monthly basis than he could possibly eat all year long.  Agree?

[bluebasser86]

17 hours ago, Lvn2Fish said:

Everyone says it’s not that hard to do a catch weigh photo release deal .But this picture right here shows just the cluster that would ensue. You can’t have an accurate measurement when your hand is hanging onto the scale . Not saying any pressure is being applied but I wouldn’t accept this entry .

The scales we use lock the weight in so having your hand on the fish or grippers in the picture has zero effect on the weight and you must submit the locked in weight, not the heaviest weight it bounced to anything like that. I always hold the grippers to make sure the fish is turned to the side facing the camera so the entire fish is best seen, leaving less question to if it weighed what the scale says or not.  If you don't and the fish rotates, you end up with pictures like this that make the actual weight of the fish much more questionable.

[bluebasser86]

On 11/5/2018 at 9:10 AM, Devan S. said:

I'm saying that outside of the fact that his hand is on the scale itself, one could put a large spoonbill sinker in the fishes mouth to increase the weight and you would never tell in that picture. You could do the same thing with an alligator clip with weight on the back side of the fish hanging off the gill plate.  

The scale locks the weight in, having your hand on it for the picture does nothing to influence the weight of the fish. I hold it like that to make sure the fish is facing the camera so the entire fish can be seen. 

Nothing you can do about the weight thing. Obviously if someone is shoving 1lb bank sinkers down a a fish's throat, it's going to distort the weight significantly, which is where the fish on a ruler shot could come into play since we all have a general idea what a fish should weigh according to it's length. 

Like your previous post though, you mix in competition and egos, there's always a chance that people will cheat. I also run a Garmin Virb to get video during tournaments to help if there's any disputes on the validity of my catches and their weights. 

On 11/5/2018 at 9:49 AM, Flysmallie said:

 

Quit using weight and start using measurement. If it happens when somebody is taking a picture out in the boat it's also happening at the weigh-ins back at the ramp. I've seen fish with worm weights in their bellies. 

Some people are going to cheat. No matter what you do. 

We did this in our club previously and it wasn't popular. Who hasn't caught a fish that was paper thin and 17 or 18 long and another that was 15 or 16 and super fat that weighed considerably more than the longer fish? It happened often enough for us that went to weighing them. Plus it leaves to interpretation exactly what mark and part of the fish's tail to go off of, it was kind of a mess. 

[Deadstream]

Like a charity/ memorial golf tournament..... Last one's in..... win!

[snagged in outlet 3]

On 11/6/2018 at 1:13 AM, bluebasser86 said:

The scales we use lock the weight in so having your hand on the fish or grippers in the picture has zero effect on the weight and you must submit the locked in weight, not the heaviest weight it bounced to anything like that. I always hold the grippers to make sure the fish is turned to the side facing the camera so the entire fish is best seen, leaving less question to if it weighed what the scale says or not.  If you don't and the fish rotates, you end up with pictures like this that make the actual weight of the fish much more questionable.

At least you guys are trying.  Good job!

[Flysmallie]

6 hours ago, bluebasser86 said:

We did this in our club previously and it wasn't popular. Who hasn't caught a fish that was paper thin and 17 or 18 long and another that was 15 or 16 and super fat that weighed considerably more than the longer fish? It happened often enough for us that went to weighing them. Plus it leaves to interpretation exactly what mark and part of the fish's tail to go off of, it was kind of a mess. 

Yeah it’s a different way of doing it for sure. Some groups like size to be determined by weight and then some like length. I like length because maybe my 18 inch fish ate a couple of gills right before I caught it and your 18.5 inch fish was out looking for a meal. Mine weighs more but is it really bigger? Am I really better? 

But I understand the history of weight in tournaments and that’s going to be hard to let go. Especially if you are the one holding the fat 18 incher. 

[Jerry Rapp]

wouldn't a longer length be a better indicator of a fish's age?  Making it older and wiser and more difficult to catch, thus making the person with a longer fish a "better" angler?

[Devan S.]

Just now, Jerry Rapp said:

wouldn't a longer length be a better indicator of a fish's age?  Making it older and wiser and more difficult to catch, thus making the person with a longer fish a "better" angler?

Or maybe its older and weaker and its vision is bad though......

[Flysmallie]

1 hour ago, Jerry Rapp said:

wouldn't a longer length be a better indicator of a fish's age?  Making it older and wiser and more difficult to catch, thus making the person with a longer fish a "better" angler?

That's a angle you could definitely take. I have thought about it. But Devan makes a good point too. It all boils down to what you want to consider bigger.

 

LeBron James is 6'8" and weighs 250lbs. So if he was 5'2" and weighed 250 he would be just as good? I know that's a silly analogy.

But we have associated fish with weight for so long (tournaments, records, lies) it will be hard for most to move past that. But those Kayak guys are doing it with ZERO issues. Yeah they have some cheaters there too.