What it's like to be retired during Covid

[fishinwrench]

34 minutes ago, luckycraft said:

Wow! And my trump sign stealing post got deleted.    It was real.  Had video evidence and all.   How is this different.    Other than being from the left.    Just saying!

Wow indeed!   Somebody obviously "reported it".     

Are we really that petty around here?    Maybe it just got moved to the Political forum.   

[luckycraft]

12 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

Wow indeed!   Somebody obviously "reported it".     

Are we really that petty around here?    Maybe it just got moved to the Political forum.   

All I know is  I posted a video of a colleague from my work whose sign got stolen and they chained their next one to the house.   Should I say it?    Trump was on it!    Criminals came back and tried to get the other one.   Video showed the perpetrator running off w the sign until the chain jerked it out of their hand.    My point to clear the confusion is...   people can spew the leftist “we are all going to die” and how bad life is left views.   But a real life theft that occurs and is documented gets censored on here.    Would it be different if it was my trolling motor And I was a leftist?

[fishinwrench]

3 minutes ago, luckycraft said:

All I know is  I posted a video of a colleague from my work whose sign got stolen and they chained their next one to the house.   Should I say it?    Trump was on it!    Criminals came back and tried to get the other one.   Video showed the perpetrator running off w the sign until the chain jerked it out of their hand.    My point to clear the confusion is...   people can spew the leftist “we are all going to die” and how bad life is left views.   But a real life theft that occurs and is documented gets censored on here.    Would it be different if it was my trolling motor And I was a rightest?

Naw, the people against Trump are becoming downright weird, and honestly...a tad scary.   I don't understand it.   They seem desperate and scared for reasons I don't understand.   

They don't give a crap which God you worship, or whether you worship any God at all.... but yet will wish you dead if you display a political preference that is different from theirs.     Crazy business!   

Just for the record, I don't vote.   So whoever anyone wants to be president..... I'm no threat either way.     ✌️

[tjm]

5 hours ago, jdmidwest said:

You can live in fear or accept the fact all life ends in death.  If you want numbers and risk, look at the facts.

If you are over 70, have diabetes, coronary or respiratory disease, immune deficiencies, or any underlying cause, hunker down

I'm over 70 and have respiratory disease, and quite truthfully this panic hasn't affected the wife (she's almost 70 and a hypochondriac)  and I at all like it has some folks, we have always washed our hands and avoided crowds, so other than buying the groceries online for pickup and getting prescriptions curbside and eating out less frequently it hasn't really impacted us. She did stay away from Church for three months or so, but it was videoed and made available online so she didn't miss that much. And  I was forced to fish less than I would have liked by crowds on the creeks, but I got more rest. Probably the worst of it is not having the grand kids stay over and not taking any long trips to visit family in the east, but there have been other years we didn't travel.

We've buried all our parents, three of my brothers and one of her sisters, a nephew each plus lots of extended family and in-laws so we are beginning to understand mortality. Not one of us is gonna get out of this world alive. Given that we are mortal and that we have zero control over that mortality, I believe we should make the most of every day. As others get tired of cowering behind useless fashion masks and begin to reopen the lines of commerce we will be cautiously adventurous as in the past. YOLO

So, lets say this virus taken in full context is ten times worse than the "annual flu", it don't hold a candle to the Spanish flu or smallpox or cholera and man kind survived those. Fact is after several thousand years we developed  a vaccine for smallpox that eventually eradicated it and we learned not to mix our sewage with our drinking water so things like cholera have pretty much disappeared. But this is a corona virus and we have not done so well with controlling them, the common cold is a corona virus that we have zero defense against after millions of years of fighting it, so this virus is likely here to stay and if they do  eventually develop an effective vaccine for it, that may well be after my life has expired from some other cause (like those enumerated by @jdmidwest or a tick bite).  If we spend the little time we have left at this point  locked up in isolation, isn't that as bad as dying three days early?  It becomes a question of dying a thousand deaths or only dying once. "It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come.”

OTOH "a man's gotta know his limitations"

[snagged in outlet 3]

11 hours ago, luckycraft said:

And when did Cathy Ireland play for the Mets!     I would have been a fan if I’d known! 

I get that one too!  If she showed me that much skin while I was pitching I would plunk her.😁

[Al Agnew]

14 hours ago, Mitch f said:

Im not trying to prove anyone wrong but who really knows which numbers are real? Seriously 

I'm going by simple math, Mitch.  If death rates continue as they are now until the end of the year, somewhere close to 400,000 people will have died from contracting Covid.  Average flu deaths per year is around 35,000.  And before anybody says, yeah, but a lot of the Covid deaths are misreported because people are put in the death by Covid category when they die of anything while testing positive for Covid...first of all that is false.  Second of all, Covid deaths and flu deaths are reported exactly the same way.  Very few people die of the typical symptoms of flu, they die from complications of the flu interacting with their other health problems.  So the flu death numbers ARE compatible, for comparison purposes, with Covid numbers.  I think where the CDC might be getting that  5 times figure, though, is that flu deaths are seasonal, the flu only lasts for about 6 months each year.  Covid deaths are spread over the whole year this year (except that they started in March in the U.S., and have increased greatly since mid-April).  So 35,000 deaths over 6 months, compared to, let's say, 350,000 over a year, will get you that 5 times as deadly figure.  So it seems that both numbers could be correct...pure deadliness, the flu is 20% as deadly as Covid.  But based on number of deaths per year, it's 10% as deadly.

Math isn't always simple, but it usually works out!  Statistics, on the other hand, are easily manipulated.  I find this little exercise interesting.  So you are living in 2020.  To make it really simple, I'm going to round the current U.S. population of 328.2 million to 330 million, and posit that 33,000 people will die of the flu this year.  In simple numbers, your chances of dying of the flu this year are 1 in 10,000.  If 330,000 people die of Covid this year, that means in simple numbers that your chances of dying of Covid are 1 in 1000.  But...those simple numbers don't tell the whole story.  How many people contract the flu each year?  CDC estimates 9.3-45 million.  That's a wide range, so let's just keep it simple and say 33 million.  How many people will have contracted Covid by the end of the year?  Right now it's up to a bit over 9 million, so lets keep keeping it simple and say that number is 16.5 million by the end of the year, which seems pretty predictable with the trend the way it is.  So if 33,000 die of the flu out of 33 million cases, if you contract the flu, your chances of dying are 1 in 1000.  If 16.5 million people contract Covid by the end of the year and 330,000 die of it, then if you contract Covid, your chances of dying are 1 in 200.  But the high risk groups for both illnesses are pretty similar, and while there appear to be a much larger percentage of people dying from Covid that AREN'T in a high risk group, compared to the flu, we still know that your risk of dying goes up considerably if you are in a high risk group.  So I didn't feel like trying to find the different percentages who die of Covid by age group or co-morbidities, but if you are my age with my level of pre-existing conditions--68, healthy, but with high blood pressure and occasional irregular heartbeat--my chances are probably something on the order of 1 in 50 IF I contract Covid, and 1 in somewhere between 250 and 500 if I contract the flu.  And who knows what my chances are of contracting Covid with the level of precautions I'm taking, but my chances of contracting the flu are pretty low since I got a high dose flu vaccine.  

Point is, you can pick out any one of those figures above as say that's the figure that applies to your argument.  And every one of them is correct as far as it goes.

[Al Agnew]

11 hours ago, luckycraft said:

All I know is  I posted a video of a colleague from my work whose sign got stolen and they chained their next one to the house.   Should I say it?    Trump was on it!    Criminals came back and tried to get the other one.   Video showed the perpetrator running off w the sign until the chain jerked it out of their hand.    My point to clear the confusion is...   people can spew the leftist “we are all going to die” and how bad life is left views.   But a real life theft that occurs and is documented gets censored on here.    Would it be different if it was my trolling motor And I was a leftist?

If you think Phil is a leftist, you don't know him.

And by the way, there has been PLENTY of political sign stealing and vandalism on both sides.  It ain't a leftist thang.

 

[Mitch f]

39 minutes ago, Al Agnew said:

If you think Phil is a leftist, you don't know him.

 

You’re right Phil isn’t a leftist, also he’s probably not the one removing posts.

[moguy1973]

My 77 year old dad found out he has COVID-19 yesterday.  He went with his sister in law to a wedding for her daughter in Ste Genevieve last weekend and all 4 people in the car he was traveling to and from with tested positive for it.  From the looks of the pictures at the wedding mask usage was scarce, so I'm sure there are a lot more people in attendance who got it also.

  His symptoms are relatively mild so far with just a cough and a headache without much of  fever yet.  So that's good news at least.  If his fever starts going up things could turn pretty fast.  He's been a mostly healthy guy his whole life being a non-smoker/non-drinker, so he has that going for him. 

[Mitch f]

47 minutes ago, moguy1973 said:

My 77 year old dad found out he has COVID-19 yesterday.  He went with his sister in law to a wedding for her daughter in Ste Genevieve last weekend and all 4 people in the car he was traveling to and from with tested positive for it.  From the looks of the pictures at the wedding mask usage was scarce, so I'm sure there are a lot more people in attendance who got it also.

  His symptoms are relatively mild so far with just a cough and a headache without much of  fever yet.  So that's good news at least.  If his fever starts going up things could turn pretty fast.  He's been a mostly healthy guy his whole life being a non-smoker/non-drinker, so he has that going for him. 

Hope he fares well