Livescope out of hand

[Seth]

35 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

I'll tell ya how..... 

They EVENTUALLY release them, yeah.   After letting them flop around on the boat floor, taking them for a 1-6 hour boat ride, weighing them, holding them out of the water to take pics, ect.  

The ONLY reason that tournament anglers have to run miles from the Take-off cove is because the recently released fish are totally lost, sick/injured, and circling the drain..... about to die.      

Just because you don't see them floating doesn't mean they are back to living a good life.  

The actual MDC REGULATION states that fish not possessed are to be "RELEASED UNHARMED IMMEDIATELY".     Is that not what it says ?    I haven't checked today....but that's what it used to say.

and here I thought it was because those areas were marked as off limits during the tournaments.....

[snagged in outlet 3]

Yesterday on the elites a guy pulled up a nice one to weigh and said.   Look, it’s been hooked recently.   He was bed fishing.  

[fishinwrench]

51 minutes ago, Seth said:

and here I thought it was because those areas were marked as off limits during the tournaments.....

Only inside the bouys.   

 

When the area you're taking off from is freshly stocked 2-5 times per week with keeper sized fish, why else would you choose to burn 30 gallons of gas to get a limit?   

[fishinwrench]

1 hour ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

Biologist right?😂

In a broad sense, pattern recognition and inductive thinking form the basis for all scientific inquiry. 👍

[BilletHead]

2 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

I'll tell ya how..... 

They EVENTUALLY release them, yeah.   After letting them flop around on the boat floor, taking them for a 1-6 hour boat ride, weighing them, holding them out of the water to take pics, ect.  

The ONLY reason that tournament anglers have to run miles from the Take-off cove is because the recently released fish are totally lost, sick/injured, and circling the drain..... about to die.      

Just because you don't see them floating doesn't mean they are back to living a good life.  

The actual MDC REGULATION states that fish not possessed are to be "RELEASED UNHARMED IMMEDIATELY".     Is that not what it says ?    I haven't checked today....but that's what it used to say.

                 It does say that, but tournament anglers are exempt. It comes down to making certain people happy. This being said all of us that have caught fish to eat and at the end of the trip not had enough to make cleaning worthwhile we turn them loose. I only do that with healthy fish, I have also hooked legal fish badly and know they will die and go ahead and clean. 

[BilletHead]

2 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

Yeah I'm no scientist !    😅

            Oh yes you are just a few days ago you did an experiment melting ice cubes. Came to a conclusion just like a scientist. 

[fishinwrench]

6 minutes ago, BilletHead said:

            Oh yes you are just a few days ago you did an experiment melting ice cubes. Came to a conclusion just like a scientist. 

Yeah but nobody paid me for it.   😮‍💨 There was no funding. 

You don't get to call yourself a "mechanic" because you poured wiper fluid in your car.  🙄 

 

Or a preacher because you yelled JESUS CHRIST!   

[snagged in outlet 3]

37 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

Yeah but nobody paid me for it.   😮‍💨 There was no funding. 

You don't get to call yourself a "mechanic" because you poured wiper fluid in your car.  🙄 

 

Or a preacher because you yelled JESUS CHRIST!   

Most “fishing pros” don’t get paid.  But they are “pros”😂

[Lvn2Fish]

7 hours ago, tjm said:

So, do you think that it makes catching big fish easier or harder?

It looks like it takes away all need for fishing knowledge and skills, but as you say I haven't tried it.

It does not take away the need for knowledge of bass migration and movements . It still takes skill to make them bite and to present the lure to them. It’s very very difficult to let a 3/8 ounce jig head sink and intersect a fish swimming 50 ft down . The timing , boat movement , wind , line size . So many different variables just to get it in front of one . Some days that fish will attack with reckless abandon . Many more days he knows somehow that this little minnow is indeed not living . And that’s just a damiki example . Traditional techniques pair nicely with FFS . These techniques are never going away. Example: Pair FFS with crashing a rock crawler . You’re not going to use it like you would in the suspended fish application . But you can still see activity . You see targets to crash the crank into . Occasionally you may pick one off that you see . But it really helps just finding the right things.  I  don’t really think it’s helped me catch more big fish . These big table rock fish are far more educated than we give them credit for . And their eyesight is completely remarkable . I feel like Ive learned how the bigger fish move and feed at least in the pre spawn . And only this year. And only on one section of lake . Every year is different. And every area of the lake fishes different .This year I watched a group of large bass swim 6 ft down over 100 ft . They moved from 6ft to 40 ft in about 20 seconds . Then after they went down they came right back up and swam up on top of a point in 10 ft of water . What’s fascinating is just watching fish movement and the way they interact with forage and one another . The bigger ones seem to hunt in packs , they roam and they investigate everything that catches there eye . And that’s just one species . The three all act different . Spots have been the least nomadic. Before when I pictured fish migration it would be in a straight line swimming from here to there . They have no rhyme or reason for what they do. A lot of the time its completely random . They go left right up down back wards and straight at you all in a minute. I’ve seen them feeding along side loons in something right out of National Geographic . I understand the worry that it’s somehow going to adversely effect fishing . But I’m telling you there are so so so many fish in this lake . And only a small percentage of those are suspended where you can even see them . Table Rock is an absolute forest . There are sycamore trees out in 100 ft of water that are topping out 20 ft down . They are monsters with limbs extending 50 ft off of them . Cedars that are so thick you can’t even get a lure into them . Ledges and bluffs . Caves and cracks in under water cliffs.  There are so many places that hold huge groups of fish that will never be seen on a unit . Like Dock said the area that these fish inhabit is exponential . From 2 ft of water to out over 200ft of water . And everything thing and every piece of cover in between . 

[fishinwrench]

8 minutes ago, Lvn2Fish said:

Before when I pictured fish migration it would be in a straight line swimming from here to there . They have no rhyme or reason for what they do. A lot of the time its completely random . They go left right up down back wards and straight at you all in a minute. I’ve seen them feeding along side loons in something right out of National Geographic .

So what do we make of all the past Bass Tracking studies?  

The ones where "Fisheries Biologists" spent big bucks radio tracking bass throughout the 4 seasons on natural lakes, man made reservoirs, and large rivers.  Remember how we were taught that bass always followed contour lines, channels, edges, ect.    

Those highly qualified Biologists FIBBED TO US didn't they?     Sold us books and everything!      Not intentionally fibbing, I'm sure......They just didn't know what the hell they were talking about, and were too embarrassed to admit it. 

Imagine That !!!! 

They STILL don't know what they are talking about.   And they are still too embarrassed to admit it.