Columbus Statue Removed

[Johnsfolly]

It is human nature to be petty and to hate. Bigotry is just a way to outwardly express that hatred. The areas that seem to have the highest level of bigotry are areas where multiple groups that are different  live together and share similar economic status.. I don't  believe that you can legislate out for bigotry. At the time that we were in Northern Ireland the govt forces businesses to hire an equal number of catholics and protestants. There aren't  many blacks, but people hate each other nonetheless. At our office everyone would get along for 11 months of the year until July which was the marching season. During that time no one would speak to each other due to their  political and religious differences. In a good year there wouldn't be bombings or rioters. At the time that conflict had gone on for over 800 years. So don't  think that here in the US that we have a monopoly on bigotry and hate. Also don't  think for a minute that by tearing down these so called oppressive statues or changing the brands like Aunt Jemima or Uncle Bens and continuing a PC culture will actually change the underlying issues that lead to bigotry and racism. My case in point is the vitriol just on this thread alone and on other threads on this a fishing forum site🙄.

Getting off my soapbox. It does help me see over the crowd😉.

[Terrierman]

1 hour ago, Johnsfolly said:

It is human nature to be petty and to hate. Bigotry is just a way to outwardly express that hatred. The areas that seem to have the highest level of bigotry are areas where multiple groups that are different  live together and share similar economic status.. I don't  believe that you can legislate out for bigotry. At the time that we were in Northern Ireland the govt forces businesses to hire an equal number of catholics and protestants. There aren't  many blacks, but people hate each other nonetheless. At our office everyone would get along for 11 months of the year until July which was the marching season. During that time no one would speak to each other due to their  political and religious differences. In a good year there wouldn't be bombings or rioters. At the time that conflict had gone on for over 800 years. So don't  think that here in the US that we have a monopoly on bigotry and hate. Also don't  think for a minute that by tearing down these so called oppressive statues or changing the brands like Aunt Jemima or Uncle Bens and continuing a PC culture will actually change the underlying issues that lead to bigotry and racism. My case in point is the vitriol just on this thread alone and on other threads on this a fishing forum site🙄.

Getting off my soapbox. It does help me see over the crowd😉.

We'll never solve the problem, agreed.  That's not the same as saying nothing can be done to improve things.  

[SpoonDog]

5 hours ago, tjm said:

Columbus didn't do any of that, the guy had three ships not much bigger than boats you see on the local lakes and a handful of starving sailors. That other stuff came later when the politicians arrived.

 

Columbus spilled a ton of ink, in his journals and correspondence, what great slaves these new people will make.  He tells us about how he captured a couple, kept them captive in his ship, and brought them to Spain to be used as servants.  He tells us about how it'd only take 50 soldiers to subjugate the population, he tells us about finding the best-looking native woman as a gift for a friend.  He tells us how great the slaves are, how productive the slaves are, how valuable the slaves are, what a benefit the slaves are for the crown.  The guy wasn't funding his explorations with tomatoes. 

Surely Columbus knew his own business better than any of us.  If Columbus was such an honest and reliable fella that he's earned a statue, surely we can put some faith in his own written record. 

 

[SpoonDog]

6 hours ago, tjm said:

If a hyphen is used it makes them non- American.

Thank you for the civics lesson, I couldn't remember which section of the constitution grants citizenship based on hyphenation.

[ColdWaterFshr]

[Johnsfolly]

3 hours ago, Terrierman said:

We'll never solve the problem, agreed.  That's not the same as saying nothing can be done to improve things.  

Its about changing peoples minds and not entirely based upon more legislation. Eradication of the past or revisionist history doesn't make people get along either.

[Jerry Rapp]

[Daryk Campbell Sr]

My thoughts.  

I grew up in the Tower Grove neighborhood.   I learned to swim in the "pool".  I still have great memories of the large playground.   I am very familiar with the bike shop Pete worked at although I was on the other side of the park.  For those who aren't familiar, it's a very large city park. (Not owned by the city by the way). If the news didn't alert my phone to inform me of a live video of the removal of the Columbus Statue in the park, and I drove by after it was missing,  I wouldn't have realized it was gone.  I did not know and do not know who are on the statues around the St Louis area.  Although I may have climbed on a few.  I believe most city residents past and present did not know who the statues around them represent, 1 month ago.  I believe erasing history is not beneficial.  We cannot allow the media to continue dividing us.   Follow the money.   Someone influenced the removal, and the knowledge of who the statues represent.   The media is stoking the fears and controversy in our country.  We continue to fan the flames.  I respect all of you. 

[45acp]

On 6/20/2020 at 9:23 AM, SpoonDog said:

Apples aren't a type of peach.  Black people are a type of people.

People are people.  Some people have light skin.  Some people have dark skin.  Some people behave like animals.  Some people behave in a civilized manner.

Behavior has nothing to do with skin color, despite what the enemedia, politicians, and race baiters would like to have us think.

Shitty people come in all colors, as do decent people.

[Mitch f]

@nomolites
 

From National Public Radio

 

 

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/npr-says-white-people-need-to-cleanse-their-bookshelves-of-white-authors-op-ed/