Oh OK....Thanks... So we are!

[Ham]

So, it’s complicated. Multiple variants of a novel virus. The effectiveness of the vaccine over the first variant may have been different than it’s effectiveness against the omicron variant. It seemed like we had much lower rates of infection with the first two variants. Omicron is MUCH easier to catch and ppl are done with being careful by in large. 

I’m never, ever in favor of a mandate than ppl get a vaccine or drug therapy. I would love for reliable scientific data to be so overwhelmingly positive that people want the treatment or vaccine, but it is completely wrong for the government to force people to get the vaccine. If you are an enlisted person, you signed away your rights for a lot of things.

with this virus/pandemic or whatever, the information has been anything but reliable. I thought that the vaccine was supposed to prevent infects, stop/slow the spread, and maybe improve outcomes if infected. With the latest variant, it seems to be this helps your chances once infected, but does little to keep you from getting infection and little to do with slowing the spread. That scenario changes the mental calculation to decide if you want to take this vaccine.

 

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2 hours ago, Devan S. said:

Does the same dataset show China having like zero cases in the last 2 months and North Korea never having a case?

Israel isn't tracking numbers from those countries that I know of.  Maybe you could find out for us and report back.  It would be interesting to know.

[gotmuddy]

1 hour ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

Israel isn't tracking numbers from those countries that I know of.  Maybe you could find out for us and report back.  It would be interesting to know.

No one could trust numbers from communist countries anyways

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2 minutes ago, gotmuddy said:

No one could trust numbers from communist countries anyways

Wouldn't matter.  His mind is closed to all but the narrative. 

[gotmuddy]

39 minutes ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

Wouldn't matter.  His mind is closed to all but the narrative. 

your right, but there's always hope.

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28 minutes ago, gotmuddy said:

your right, but there's always hope.

It's his choice and I'm all for freedom of choice...

[JestersHK]

All the data from both sides of the argument is suspect to me.  I've had Dr's tell me to get my kids the vaxx and other Dr's including there Primary who saved my oldest daughters life when she was a baby with her level of study by diagnosing a rare condition tell me not to vaxx them due to issues she saw with adolescent girls and they're reproductive health... who do I listen to there?  

If I inadvertently sterilized my girls or gave them issues with possibly having children later on in life with an untested product with no understanding of long term side effects I couldn't live with myself. There's also the very real case where people have had reactions and died from it including a friend's of ours 19yr old son.  There is also the risk that they could get covid and die, although that number is abysmally small.

At the end of the day we took they're pediatricians advice and will not get them vaxxed, nor be pressured by anyone to do so.  

 

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1 hour ago, JestersHK said:

All the data from both sides of the argument is suspect to me.  I've had Dr's tell me to get my kids the vaxx and other Dr's including there Primary who saved my oldest daughters life when she was a baby with her level of study by diagnosing a rare condition tell me not to vaxx them due to issues she saw with adolescent girls and they're reproductive health... who do I listen to there?  

If I inadvertently sterilized my girls or gave them issues with possibly having children later on in life with an untested product with no understanding of long term side effects I couldn't live with myself. There's also the very real case where people have had reactions and died from it including a friend's of ours 19yr old son.  There is also the risk that they could get covid and die, although that number is abysmally small.

At the end of the day we took they're pediatricians advice and will not get them vaxxed, nor be pressured by anyone to do so.  

 

All my kids and grandkids got it and are over it.   Very mild to two that tested positive twice but were asymptomatic.   I hope yours do well too. 

[fishinwrench]

5 hours ago, snagged in outlet 3 said:

It's his choice and I'm all for freedom of choice...

Freedom of choice should be INDIVIDUAL too.   

A buddy/customer of mine didn't want to get the vax, but was goaded into it by his wife who happens to be a nurse, and kept bitching at him every day until finally he said "FINE".   About a week after his second shot he dropped dead while running a trotline.   

Not overweight, not an alcoholic, non-smoker (but he did chew), no underlying health issues at all.    

Everytime somebody tells me they are getting vax'ed I just hope for the best. 😳 

 

Flip a coin, I guess.   I have a feeling that ALOT of those cases have happened....but nobody reports it.   And you know darn well that no "cause of death" investigation is being done when it does.   

If they had tested my buddy..... I bet they would have declared that it was the Copenhagen that caused it. 🙄 

[Dutch]

13 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

Freedom of choice should be INDIVIDUAL too.   

A buddy/customer of mine didn't want to get the vax, but was goaded into it by his wife who happens to be a nurse, and kept bitching at him every day until finally he said "FINE".   About a week after his second shot he dropped dead while running a trotline.   

Not overweight, not an alcoholic, non-smoker (but he did chew), no underlying health issues at all.    

Everytime somebody tells me they are getting vax'ed I just hope for the best. 😳 

 

Flip a coin, I guess.   I have a feeling that ALOT of those cases have happened....but nobody reports it.   And you know darn well that no "cause of death" investigation is being done when it does.   

If they had tested my buddy..... I bet they would have declared that it was the Copenhagen that caused it. 🙄 

That’s possible.  Copenhagen got my hired hand.