Mega Longear Sunfish

[jdmidwest]

Is Phil catching any fish in Alaska?

[Daryk Campbell Sr]

12 minutes ago, Johnsfolly said:

 Any argument that puts guys that follow the regulations in with poachers to support ones agenda is offensive.

Very well said.  

[Huntingducks117]

7 hours ago, MoCarp said:

to your question one there was a recent fish kill on pomme where big walleyes and muskies were dieing

What does that have to do with legal spearfishing or bow fishing?

7 hours ago, MoCarp said:

 as far as spear fishermen tend to harvest disproportionately more of the largest of that species, how would you feel if they arrowed a 15# brown? harvest is harvest right? its not legal to shoot browns or bass...why not if nothing is wrong with it????

Do you have data on the size of fish spearfishermen shoot versus what's caught on rod and reel in Bull Shoals/ Beaver?.  Please don't reference reefs or oceans in your response.  How can you say spearfishing kills disproportionately larger fish in Bull Shoals Lake/ Beaver lake.   Once again it's not as easy as going down and shooting 5 pounders all day. The number of spear fishermen on these lakes is so few, that I doubt it even begins to compare to what's caught and harvested on rod and reel annually. 

You can shoot bass on Greer's and Ouachita.

  If you can harvest bass with rod and reel, why not with a speargun, even if it is at half the limit like every thing else.  It's not a biological regulation, but a social regulation in Bull Shoals and Beaver.

7 hours ago, MoCarp said:

It's not legal to shoot browns

Where did you see that it was illegal to spearfish Brown Trout? Where does it say that? You can shoot Brown Trout in Beaver Lake, Bull Shoals Lake, and Norfork Lake as long as you have a trout stamp.  You just won't see very many in the lakes.

 

7 hours ago, MoCarp said:

walleyes get poached I have some pics somewhere with holes in them, a double digit LMB was shot in Oklahoma this spring, and an 80#+ flathead was poached in Missouri, they guy would have got away with it but submitted the fish for a record saying he caught it on a limb line

Poaching is illegal, and I have no respect for that. Why do you keep bringing up poaching and comparing it to spearfishing.  People poach in rod and reel fishing too.  

[aarchdale@coresleep.com]

In Lake Quachita you can spear bass. Yet it is still a good enough fishery that the Forrest Wood Cup is going there

[Johnsfolly]

5 hours ago, jdmidwest said:

Is Phil catching any fish in Alaska?

I sure hope so! Be nice to see some fishing reports.

[Devan S.]

9 hours ago, MoCarp said:

to your question one there was a recent fish kill on pomme where big walleyes and muskies were dieing

#2  bow fishing has had negative effects in several waters across the USA, several species have almost been shot to extinction, Alligator Gar is now being raised in hatcheries at one time bounties were paid, but it wasn't till modern compound bows and quality lights did it have an impact of fish populations.....as far as spearfishing, whats stable all waters?  all are flux from good year class spawns to poor ones,  as far as spear fishermen tend to harvest disproportionately more of the largest of that species, how would you feel if they arrowed a 15# brown? harvest is harvest right? its not legal to shoot browns or bass...why not if nothing is wrong with it????

walleyes get poached I have some pics somewhere with holes in them, a double digit LMB was shot in Oklahoma this spring, and an 80#+ flathead was poached in Missouri, they guy would have got away with it but submitted the fish for a record saying he caught it on a limb line

 

I am not a big fan of putting a knife to nice sized smallmouths ether, have not seen many posts here on filleting big brow trout ether, when they do I am sure ill make a comment

in a perfect world, lets say for this case LMB  could have the top end fish running 9-13 pounds we have had a few lakes produce those size fish in the past, those 6#  fish must get released to have a chance to even sniff its size potential , and over time big fish genetics get fished down, will some die from old age, I would hope so...it would mean that floater 12# bass had passed its genes on to numerous generations, more big fish would be great but you would have fish of all sizes working their way up, now a bass would be VERY lucky to survive getting kept or die from being mishandled in the many years it takes to hit 8# much less 12#, its why you do not see numbers of fish that size in TR anymore

we are closer to agreement on many issues than you think, most states do not allow spearfishing or bow fishing for bass walleyes and Muskies....some do, understanding how this was achieved would surprise you, apathy about methods of harvest typically gets new regs passed, until a firestorm of public opinion happens

I feel spear fishermen tend to harvest disproportionately more of the largest of species, the MDC said in regards to the poached flathead - that man’s actions took away the potential for a fishermen to catch a once in a life-time fish, its how I feel about shooting that huge long ear...its more a metaphor to the issues of selecting and removing the very biggest be it a sunfish, walleye, striper, and even a common carp

You completely dodged the question. I could have swore I made myself very clear what I was looking for. You spew random facts, compare apples to chickens, compare blatantly illegal activities to regulated legal activities and then wont even pin down your own opinion when asked. You twist the question to fit your narrative. 

I'm not asking about the size they target or anything like that. I am asking you in your opinion compared to rod/reel fishermen do they have any impact when done legally within the guidelines set forth by AGFC.

 

[Flysmallie]

3 hours ago, Devan S. said:

You completely dodged the question. I could have swore I made myself very clear what I was looking for. You spew random facts, compare apples to chickens, compare blatantly illegal activities to regulated legal activities and then wont even pin down your own opinion when asked. You twist the question to fit your narrative.

 

You are trying to argue with a child. It's pointless. It's just googled images and retarded facts from him. 

[snagged in outlet 3]

Mocarp does this all over this site.

It's kind of like a crying kid in restaurant.  You ignore as best you can and hope the parents stuff a sock in it's mouth.

[MoCarp]

19 hours ago, Huntingducks117 said:

What does that have to do with legal spearfishing or bow fishing?

in another thread I asked if any "holes" were apparent...none were

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Do you have data on the size of fish spearfishermen shoot versus what's caught on rod and reel in Bull Shoals/ Beaver?.  Please don't reference reefs or oceans in your response.  How can you say spearfishing kills disproportionately larger fish in Bull Shoals Lake/ Beaver lake.   Once again it's not as easy as going down and shooting 5 pounders all day. The number of spear fishermen on these lakes is so few, that I doubt it even begins to compare to what's caught and harvested on rod and reel annually. 

I would be all for a mandatory report on fish harvested to get real hard data, but I ask when YOU shoot a walleye do you not shoot the largest out of the school?

also the numbers of big deer shot under a spotlight from a vehicle are tiny when compared to what is legally harvested,  yet enforcing that regulation against that activity is vigorous...why? it can be argued a very few people can harvest at an exponential rate compared to other methods.

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You can shoot bass on Greer's and Ouachita.

  If you can harvest bass with rod and reel, why not with a speargun, even if it is at half the limit like every thing else.  It's not a biological regulation, but a social regulation in Bull Shoals and Beaver.

Social regulations...interestingly my point exactly...why is that?  if harvest is harvest? many people have no-idea spearfishing is legal in some areas, perhaps if people like me scream loud enough the "social Pressure" can effect changes in regulations

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Where did you see that it was illegal to spearfish Brown Trout? Where does it say that? You can shoot Brown Trout in Beaver Lake, Bull Shoals Lake, and Norfork Lake as long as you have a trout stamp.  You just won't see very many in the lakes.

have you ever shot a trout? post a pic please...and who on here would be cool with legalizing spearfishing on Taney?

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Poaching is illegal, and I have no respect for that. Why do you keep bringing up poaching and comparing it to spearfishing.  People poach in rod and reel fishing too.  

the spearfishing is the activity, someplace its legal some not...poaching is when someone shoots walleyes out of stockton vs beaver where its legal.

if I get lucky I can land 4 walleyes all over 8#....yet the odds of that are low...yet all you have to do is SEE them to shoot them, If spearfishing was so benign it would be legal everywhere...its not and MOST states would call it poaching, just like spot lighting deer or shooting turkeys off the roost, I use hunting metaphor because it is FISH HUNTING...and a very dangerous one at that

 

[MoCarp]

15 hours ago, Devan S. said:

You completely dodged the question. I could have swore I made myself very clear what I was looking for. You spew random facts, compare apples to chickens, compare blatantly illegal activities to regulated legal activities and then wont even pin down your own opinion when asked. You twist the question to fit your narrative. 

I'm not asking about the size they target or anything like that. I am asking you in your opinion compared to rod/reel fishermen do they have any impact when done legally within the guidelines set forth by AGFC.

 

unless the state tracks this..no one can say,  IMHO I'd say yes it effects the larger less numerous fish in the population

people also do not know of kill tourneys...FWFS, USOA Spearfishing Nationals 2016 Beaver Lake Arkansas is an example

from the videos looks like point blank shooting....love to see bass guys wade in here