Missouri's next record brown trout

[Quillback]

1 minute ago, Johnsfolly said:

I have voiced my opinion on other threads about whether triploids should be considered as state or world record fish. I would love to catch some but still think that they be considered separately from diploid trout for record considerations.

I agree - there was a lot of controversy in Washington when that triploid rainbow was listed as the state record.

[tjm]

They say that polyploidy  occurs naturally in some trout, so how would separate the naturals from the artificials for record purposes?  

 

[Terrierman]

8 hours ago, tjm said:

They say that polyploidy  occurs naturally in some trout, so how would separate the naturals from the artificials for record purposes?  

 

DNA testing for all record fish would seem to be the only way.

[Johnsfolly]

7 hours ago, Terrierman said:

DNA testing for all record fish would seem to be the only way.

I would agree. Not to difficult to do. 

[Gavin]

Not a fan of Frankenfish...but who cares if one takes the record. If you have separate categories for Frankenfish, stocked fish, and wild fish...somebody is gonna try for that record and it creates allot of expense & nonsense. Better to have one state record, but MDC should jump on this...They could employ 3-4 more biologists.

[laker67]

On 9/14/2018 at 3:14 PM, Foghorn said:

Hey Rick, are you going after hat big old brown with that fancy $7 yard sale rod?

Maybe, or I might just sell it to Susie for $10.

[laker67]

On 9/15/2018 at 5:21 AM, Quillback said:

There is a practical application, farm raised fish.  One of the Indian tribes in Washington state was raising triploid rainbows in a net pen farming operation on one of the big impoundments up there (Rufus Woods lake).  They grow faster than non-triploids so at one time the fish farmers were raising them - don't know if that is the case anymore - but some of them escaped from the net pen which led to one of them being caught and becoming the Washington state record rainbow trout.  It was 29 lbs. I believe.

Same issue in Canada and that was a world record and if I recall correctly  it was 48 lb.

[Ryan Miloshewski]

Missed this but just now seeing. I wrote the article and did the research (or knew already) so ask away. Triploid fish are sterile. Generally, any animal that's not 2N (diploid) is sterile. The only real thing that separates the triploids is the ability to not reproduce. And no, they do not go through the motions. Basically just eat.

@laker67 I would like to get a hold you. Duane Doty sent me your way. Have an email?

 

 

[Travis Swift]

31 minutes ago, Ryan Miloshewski said:

Missed this but just now seeing. I wrote the article and did the research (or knew already) so ask away. Triploid fish are sterile. Generally, any animal that's not 2N (diploid) is sterile. The only real thing that separates the triploids is the ability to not reproduce. And no, they do not go through the motions. Basically just eat.

@laker67 I would like to get a hold you. Duane Doty sent me your way. Have an email?

 

 

Ryan when you say they don't go thru the motions are you basically saying they don't run up stream in the fall like the regular browns do?  I'm sure some do but does that mean some of these mega's might just stay down lake where they aren't bothered and just hammer away at bait fish all year long instead of making the run up?  Also do you know if they plan to ever stock any again, it's been several years now?  Maybe that's a question Phil can get an answer too.  I sure hope they do.

[Ryan Miloshewski]

2 hours ago, Travis Swift said:

Ryan when you say they don't go thru the motions are you basically saying they don't run up stream in the fall like the regular browns do?  I'm sure some do but does that mean some of these mega's might just stay down lake where they aren't bothered and just hammer away at bait fish all year long instead of making the run up?  Also do you know if they plan to ever stock any again, it's been several years now?  Maybe that's a question Phil can get an answer too.  I sure hope they do.

Essentially, yup. The drive to spawn is theoretically not there. As you said, I am sure some move up lake but is it to "spawn?" No clue. 

I'd have to ask Shane again but there was some talk of adding a few thousand more. They have stocked them twice so far. And with some of the fish being caught that were, say, 9 years old in 2017 and weighing 17-20 lbs, I think it is inevitable the record is broken.