Interesting listen on today’s Bass Talk Live

[fishinwrench]

What a rediculous thing to even pretend to have figured out.    I hate to just keep roasting biologist's on here, but for crying out loud.......  😒

[abkeenan]

So dropping the trolling motor, I am at a 35% reduced chance to catch a fish, is what you're sayin'? Combine that with my fishing ability and I basically have about a 10% chance of catching anything. Not sure why I even bother launching. I'd have a better chance of cranking away on a slot machine at the casino and probably have a lot better return on my "investment" than what I dump into my fishing ventures.  Next time I fish that will be my excuse for failure or limited success. "Yeah, I was fishing at a handicap today. 35% off the top to start so I was in big hole to dig out of."

[Quillback]

3 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

I'm sorry but any percentage you choose to claim is unfounded and simply a guess, and not even an educated one.   There's no way to know.

Not even tournament mortality alone can be determined, much less the mortality from the entire lake....and then assuming the percentage per "causes"????!!!    🙄

Absolute BS if you ask me....Which of course you didn't.  😁

Did you read the document that he provides the link for?  It's based on radio tagged fish, 33% either died or "expelled" their tag (whatever that means).  It's not simply a "guess" it's based on those tagged fish.  Now those observations could be wrong, that expelled tag thing is kind of puzzling or maybe fish that are tagged are subject to higher mortality.  That being said, it supposedly agrees with mortality rates observed in other experiments -  how they came up with those numbers in the other experiments, I have no idea without reading what their method was, but it's based on something, not a guess.  

 

[MoCarp]

Post spawn stress would be a factor in mortality rates, ask your self what would cause that stress?  This is interesting 

I remember years ago they found shocking walleye off their spawning areas at Stockton was causing numbers of fish to abort spawning, I wonder how much more sencitive Native river spawn fish are vs northern lake strain are, or if post spawn or aborted spawn fish have higher mortality.

I would suspect bright light from bowfishing boats could stress fish during the spawn (bass/crappie/walleyes)

be easy to test in a group of ponds

when I was in school we studied to stress mice with bright lights and it caused some interesting changes in behavior 

[bfishn]

I believe most of the mortality happens before they're an inch long.

[aarchdale@coresleep.com]

if 30 seconds of bright light from a bowfishing boat stresses them, they need to die and get rid of their week genes .  OR maybe we should be injecting the lake with Celexa.   All you ever read about is how stressed fish get anymore.   No proof to it either

[fishinwrench]

1 hour ago, Quillback said:

Did you read the document that he provides the link for?  It's based on radio tagged fish, 33% either died or "expelled" their tag (whatever that means).  It's not simply a "guess" it's based on those tagged fish.  Now those observations could be wrong, that expelled tag thing is kind of puzzling or maybe fish that are tagged are subject to higher mortality.  That being said, it supposedly agrees with mortality rates observed in other experiments -  how they came up with those numbers in the other experiments, I have no idea without reading what their method was, but it's based on something, not a guess.  

 

No I didn't read it.  And Yes I realize that the GUESS is based on some alleged "scientific study method".  It always is.

That changes nothing.  It's innacurate by a long shot, and should actually be embarrassing to claim that it isn't.  

[Champ188]

If one bass dies from tournament fishing ... and we all know that FAR MORE than one are killed ... then it has a negative impact on the population. 

Is the mortality number significant? Since “significant” is subjective, then there is not a definitive answer. 

Mom not completely anti-tournament but I’m 110% against any number ... no matter how small... of our fish dying for lack of correct handling.

[Quillback]

9 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

No I didn't read it.  And Yes I realize that the GUESS is based on some alleged "scientific study method".  It always is.

That changes nothing.  It's innacurate by a long shot, and should actually be embarrassing to claim that it isn't.  

Well there you go, you haven't read it, and can't provide any basis for it being inaccurate.  You're right you are guessing, nothing more than that.

[dblades]

 From this weeks other fisheries biological news I learned there are 100 million sharks killed each year. That works out to about 270,000+ per day. That I find harder to believe than 35% bass mortality.